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I went to court yesterday and had to fight in my defense against my psycho ex-girlfriend. It was an experience worth noting but really sucked. My psycho ex went to the prosecutor and talked him into putting out a warrant for my arrest with charges of menacing by stalking. Turns out by bypassing the police the warrant can be issued and a court date can be set and no evidence was ever required on her part to make a case.

Thus, yesterday was the preliminary hearing for the case. A preliminary hearing, for those of you not familar with law, means she's allowed to go on the stand and say anything she wants and be questioned by the prosecutor and by the defendants attorney. She basicly lied her ass off to both of them and told a ton of BS. The judge saw through it all and stopped the case to have a meeting with the 2 legal bodies in the room.

My lawyer came back telling me I was being offered a plea bargin of 30 days in jail, 5 years probation, and a $200 fine. Personaly for having done nothing wrong and thus far all I was hearing was bullshit from her that I could prove to be lies with phone records and such I passed up this offer.

Keeping in mind I'm currently in the court for a 4th degree felony so in comparision it would be a great offer if I felt I was going to lose the case.

The bitch continued to make up lies for a little longer at which point her mother was called to the stand. Now I know her mother is a born liar so this was going to be a worth while show, but after her 4th sentance I was through writing notes and just sat there holding back the laugher. Nothing she said matched what her daughter had said. They both were lieing to make me sound bad, but unfortunatly they must have cordinated poorly on their lies so they didn't match up.

One of the better lies was how the bitch was with another guy on the first night under stipulation. The bitch goes off saying she was at home all night, and the guy never called me and she never called me that night either. Well in truth he called me and threatened to kill me and I couldn't get ahold of the bitch so I was worried about her and took a trip to her house with my 2 brothers to make sure she was okay. When I got there I found out she had been cheating on me and her parents forced her to make a decision " You have to make a decision and choose" is what she said they told her in court. Only she said her dad had said this. The mom's testimony later said she had said it. So who really said it? Next, why does someone say this if she supposily had told me months earlier to leave her alone? Wouldn't they already know her choice? Well in truth they said it to choose between me and the other guy, but in court they were all denying he existed, even though he was sitting there in the room. Talk about strange.

The case came to a close, I was expecting the judge to laugh, dismiss the trial and it be all gone and overwith. Yet I was wrong. The judge passed it to a grand jury trial case on the grounds that the bitch had quoted me as saying "If I can't have you, then no one else can" yet there's no way to prove I said anything like that, nor would I have ever.

The best is the other evidence she submitted to the court. She submitted 2 cards I had written her. They contained poems and were really nice telling her I loved her all the same even though we were apart. Ironicly the cards were never dated and were from a previous time we seperated. Yet the cards even say "I want you to have your space" and things like "I care about you and I'm not mad at you for choosing this as I understand we are young and may not be ment to be together"..... How does this make me sound like I was a threat to her life and stalking her? The best thing about the cards was my attorney pointed out the cards had a lot of thumb tack holes in them. He asked why she was hanging them up if she felt threatened? She said the prosecutor probably put the holes in them to hang them up as evidence... The question we all wondered, why didn't the envelopes have holes too, and why only 1 side as if they were hung in a way you could walk by and read them...

Okay I'm sure your all bored by now, but she did throw 1 last piece of bullshit into the ring when she submitted an e-mail sent from her own e-mail account to herself and said "he hacked into my e-mail and mailed it to me". Her proof that I did it, that I'm an computer engineer at school. While I may be a smart cookie with computers, I'm pretty sure I'm an art major and have been working on cartoons and animations for quite some time now....

So this was my rant, this was my weekend, and this is why I hate women, even if their are 2 of them in a bed with me at the same time... Whats the moral to this story? Never trust a whore, and never tell anyone your real name when dating.

- hans (september 18, 2004 at 8:40 pm)
 
 

Say what you want about the court system, it has a knack for spotlighting idiocy.

- einhander (september 20, 2004 at 9:18 am)
 
 

Looks like you've got a winner there. Elaborate more on this 4th degree felony.

- bertrand (september 20, 2004 at 12:15 pm)
 
 

menacing by stalking means i had a pattern of stalking that in some way made her fear for her safety and well being...

yet normaly a person will make a police report, then get a protection order (commonly miscalled a restraining order). yet the girl never did this, in fact, she continued to call me without me calling or contacting her, and never called the police more than 1 time on me. thus, no pattern was proven nor is there any clue why someone morbidly affraid for their life calls the person multiple times a day for 6 months..

the best part is the police report i filed here in my city against her for telecommuncations harassment against her in april. a police officer actually answered my phone (a female one at that) and was cussed out by my psycho ex. so it's pretty obvious she's not affraid of me.

i'm trying to get a copy of the transcripts this week from the courts, i'll see what i can do about scanning them and putting them on here or what i can do so you guys can read them. it's a riot to see how much they lied and all the bullshit. the real funny thing is the 2 cards she tried to use as evidence since you ask yourself, "well he brought you cards, flowers, and candy.. what did you do with the candy? 'threw it out' oh, well what did you do with the flowers? 'threw them out' okay, so why did you keep the cards and hang them up in your room then? 'because i was affraid'....

the really nice thing for me in some ways, is there is a really nice law school here at ohio state that just started up in session. so i'm able to get a lot of students credit for their classes by researching my case for me. i only found this out about 20mins ago so i hope to go there later this week and see if i can get a class of 30 people researching shit for my case...

i have a winning case, but i'm losing having to dish out money for this shit.

- hans (september 20, 2004 at 4:20 pm)
 
 

Due to a legal subpoena on your e-mail account it is temporarily disabled. You may contact the technology office to discuss options to work out any situation you may have with the University. Thank you.


just thought you guys might get a kick out of that... i know i did when i tried to get my password to login to find out what rooms my classes are in this week...

- hans (september 20, 2004 at 4:29 pm)
 
 

that sucked, i just wrote a huge update to post and then i accidently bumped the back button on my mouse and lost it all.... fuck...

Okay i'll make it short and sweet cause i'm to lazy to write it all again...

the sheriff has been going to my dads house 2 hours away for the past week trying to give me papers, which no one but me can accept. I finally got them to tell me what their about on the phone, turns out the bitch, her mom, and the bitches boyfriend are going into the grand jury or already did go in to make their case as to why this should be a grand jury trial case.

the other part of the papers were to tell me i'm supposed to be going in for my exparte(sp?) hearing tuesday where i'm allowed to say why this case should be thrown out and submit my evidence. This gives me all of like 4 days to subpoena my witnesses, evidence, phone records, and officers that have filed my charges against this bitch. Technicaly, it's not possible to do this since i only get 2 business days.

Also tuesday i have my full day of class and i work full time so there's no way i can miss all this shit on short notice, let alone i already missed my studio classes once for this stuff and this would be my 2nd time. if you miss these classes 3 times your automaticly out with no exceptions.

To say the least, i'm extremely bitter right now about all this, and to make matters worse. The guy my step dad and mom hired to be my lawyer and get this case thrown out during the preliminary hearing isn't my lawyer anymore (mostly cause i have no money), and he's been harassing me like crazy to pay him $3,500 for his services.

So now i'm down a lot of $$, getting deeper into the shit, and i've got 4 days to try and learn the rest of roberts rules and court room procedures so i have somewhat of a chance.

i'm seriously not a happy camper right now.

- hans (september 30, 2004 at 3:48 pm)
 
 

If you hit the forward button your text will still be there. At least in mozilla and safari. Not sure about IE.

Real sorry to hear you are getting pooch screwed.

- einhander (september 30, 2004 at 4:03 pm)
 
 

IE doesn't let me do it for some reason.. i kept clicking back and forward for a while... made me feel kinda dumb when i realized doing it multiple times wouldn't help...

- hans (september 30, 2004 at 6:56 pm)
 
 

Tell the court that you need more time to prepare. I've been around a lot of lawsuits in the last two years; the courts will usually let you postpone things in situations such as yours without question. Just tell them your lawyer bailed and you need more time to get wittnesses and so forth together. I'd at least ask once court starts, if they say no you didn't lose anything, if they say ok, then you get an extension.

By the way, I just noticed that I'm typing in the regular part of the screen now... sweet, Linux works again...

- rcl (september 30, 2004 at 11:04 pm)
 
 

i figure i'm going to try and ask for more time... my best bet is to drag this out as long as possible. plus i'm allowed to request a state apointed attorney, which means they will at least have to postpon long enough to check my financial situation. i figure if i can make them pay for my attorney, then they are paying for the entire case. both the prosecutor and the defense would be on their tab, plus the court costs too. I'm not sure if any judge in his right mind would make a case like that stay in the court system considering how much it would cost the city and with such little evidence...

here in ohio a charge of menacing by stalking is very very very rare to be a felony. even more so, for it to be a felony it has to be the 2nd time the person was charged with it. thus, my case is extremely weird that i'm being charged with a felony with the only thing on my police record is the day i turned myself in. bit odd she never filed any police reports and they still let this go this far. shame i missed her grand jury hearing. i think it would have been funny to see it. maybe she would have made up some more BS or at least the judge might have been like "listen bitch, u have nothing on him"

the whole me living over 3 hours away from her and having full time school and full time work seems to make it weird that they wouldn't just be like "hey i doubt he can stalk her with his 2 free hours and still make it back to work in time" then again i do have a few speeding tickets on my record so maybe the prosecutor will try and pull some BS that i can drive the speed of sound....

- hans (october 1, 2004 at 1:50 am)
 
 

somehow that picture seems to sum up my situation and my life... lots of food and 2 women looking like angry dykes who want to kill me in the middle of it all....

- hans (october 14, 2004 at 1:46 am)
 
 

I have court on tuesday, I'll be defending myself in my civil case becuase I'm poor and I hate the justice system... Supposily I'll be getting transcripts from the initial hearing monday.

Criminal court date is on the 20th...

This is why there is such a high rate of suicide around the holidays, year ago ex-girlfriend dumps me and steals the ring, puts out a warrant for my arrest, year later i'm suffering still from breakup and find myself in some serious legal issues with court over it....


If i went to jail, I think I'd probably kill myself. What about the rest of you? What would youdo if convicted of a crime you didn't commit and sent to jail for some years of your life?

- hans (december 9, 2004 at 7:48 pm)
 
 

i can't afford a lawyer, i actually have charges filed against her for stalking, assault, harassment, and i have police witnesses.... she has nothing on me except a statement she wrote on a piece of paper for the prosecutor to file charges with.

i'm pissed off and depressed about it because she's a woman and she gets an unfair treatment in court in this situation. Picture this, a random guy and woman go into court. The woman says the guy beat her daily with a baseball bat. The guy says the woman did the same thing to him. Which would you beleive?

Now for the real kicker, the judge I have has some personal issues involved. 2 years ago his own sister was beaten up really bad by her boyfriend and put into the hospital...

Now i'm not up for assault or battery, just the possibility that I might hurt her and she felt scared of me wanting to hurt her.... Originaly they had no case for stalking and I figured the case would be thrown out. Now they've changed their angle of what they want to try and prove. Not sure how this is legal but I'll give the best analogy I can to describe what they are trying to prove with now.

Imagine you have a friend who ever time they see you they punch you in the neck. Hell sometimes they kick your shins too. Now they don't always let you know when they plan to show up. In fact, some days they sneak up into your house and do it when your asleep. Sometimes they come to your work. Other days they call your friends and piss them off by telling them how they plan to kick your shins that night. So you live in day in and day out affraid your going to get hit again soon and your affraid when she might show up. Obviously this gets annoying after a while.

What the prosecutor says is that after being punched in the neck every day for 2 years and harassed, I'm a time bomb waiting to go off. So they want to prove that after all this harassment from my ex, I have created a fear for her that I might strike back at her for doing this to me for 2 years....


It's seriously that crazy of a case. That's only the crimina case. The civil case she wants to try and get money from me for her "mental stress" she has to endure every day from the fear of me hurting her..... She's also trying to get me to have to stay over 200miles away with a protection order to help "ease the fear" of me approaching her. I already live 148miles away... I figure her only reason for this is so I'd have to leave school and move someplace else...


So yeah, I realize I sound like a whiny little bitch cause I know I am about this, but if you were in my shoes and had all this BS coming at you and can't afford a lawyer you'd probably be a little tinked off yourself =P

The idea of getting a female lawyer to represent me does seem like a good idea though... I might look into that.

- hans (december 10, 2004 at 12:50 am)
 
 

okay... loan me $4,000 =)

- hans (december 10, 2004 at 12:32 pm)
 
 

A pubic defender is out of the question? I realize that they suck, but honestly, it'll work out a lot better for you if you have some sort of lawyer.

I was reading Donald Trump's "The Art of the Deal". That guy spends millions on lawyers, even when he doesn't have a business reason to do so. The point is that unfortunately, in our society, a good lawyer is worth his price in gold. Lucky for me, my company offers "legal insurance" so I can harass lawyers all I want for the low price of $9/month. If you wanted to pay for this yourself, its only like $20/month, BUT there is an exclusion that prevents you from using your legal insurance for pre-existing conditions. However, you could use the public defender for the criminal case, etc., then get insurance, pick up a lawyer, and counter sue her for all the bullshit she put you through. If you want, I can point you towards the insurance company.

- rcl (december 12, 2004 at 1:22 pm)
 
 

i have a public defender for my criminal case... the guy spent our entire 30minute session talking about ham sandwiches... it's actually better for me to defend myself than have a guy who talks about ham sandwiches since he took a month and didn't get a single piece of evidence subpoena'ed... if i did it myself i can file the papers and have it done within a week....

there's a reason public defenders are free... =P

i actually have legal insurance... doesn't cover criminal cases, and the insurance part for the civil case is more of a hassle then it's worth considering the civil case spawned from the pre-existing criminal case making it associated with a criminal case...

i'm actually aiming at doing a huge ass counter sue case. I figure I can find one of those scum bag lawyers you always see on tv and offer them like 75% of what they win (which they normaly only get like %30 at the very very best)... Since it's a sure win case for them since when I'm proven innocent it's obviously an attack on my character I figure no scum bag lawyer could resist. I really don't care about the money part, even if I win money she has none to pay with so it's just a bigger mess.


The only exciting part is knowing she's paying for a lawyer right now for her civil case, so every time i motion for a 30 day leave she has to pay her lawyer again.... i figure she's in debt to him about 6 - 8 thousand already...

Well I'm off to my parents so I can study law and get ready for the case. I'll update you all how the civil hearing goes before I head back for the criminal one.

- hans (december 12, 2004 at 4:35 pm)
 
 

Isn't the lawyer fee legally limited at 30%?

- rcl (december 12, 2004 at 11:27 pm)
 
 

"there's a reason public defenders are free... =P"

yeah, its in the Constitution.

i would strongly urge you to not continually motion for 30 day leaves. judges don't take kindly to people they think are wasting the court's time.

- einhander (december 13, 2004 at 10:23 am)
 
 

I'll contribute $20 to your legal defense if you can get "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" into the proceedings.

- bertrand (december 14, 2004 at 2:37 am)
 
 

i'll throw in another $20 but you have to provide an audio recording that proves that you said it in court.

- einhander (december 14, 2004 at 9:15 am)
 
 

I've got $100 for "if the glove don't fit, you must aquit"

- rcl (december 14, 2004 at 4:35 pm)
 
 

i smell a web outreach thingy coming on, wherein we fund hans' court battle by having people pay to request for him to say things in court.

- einhander (december 15, 2004 at 9:42 am)
 
 

okay here's the lovely update you might have been waiting for.

The civil case was chaos. I had delayed the hearing so many times that the psycho chick couldn't afford her lawyer anymore either. She racked up some $6,000 bill with hers so she had to fire him too.

So 2 of my friends went with me to the hearing to give me some support. 1 of them knew the crazy ex and was harassed by her for the longest time so he was well aware how funny this case would be to see. The other guy a more recent friend of mine wanted to see this girl really bad after all the stories. So were sitting outside the courtroom (3 of us with my little brother and my dad) all waiting for the trial before us to end.

Now even in the most serious of situations when your alone in a hallway waiting for something it's a law that some chaos has to begin. Thus me and my 2 friends got into a discussion:

hans: "So why is your top button done if your not wearing a tie?"
jesse: "I like it like this"
hans: "but jeff's wearing a tie and he has his buttoned"
jeff: "no, mines unbuttoned behind my tie"
jesse: "he's worn that tie since like 3rd grade"
jeff: "at least i wore clean pants"
jesse: "well mine don't have a big yellow stain by the crotch like hans"
hans: "it's not piss! i got them stained when I was cleaning the kitchen one night...."
jesse: "look you can admit that you shit yourself too while at this"

loudspeaker: "would kathern hall please come to judge *insert foreign name*'s chambers"

jesse: "it's like were in walmat, not a court house.."
hans: "yeah i can just see them paging for a clean up in court room 708"
jeff: in a mocking loudspeaker voice "cleanup in courtroom 708, another defendant has shit and pissed himself..."

and then she came in. You know it's a law that soon as the real trouble happend where i was about to throw a punch at jeff she happens to walk past us all. jesse asks if that's her, and i give him this nod. she walks around the corner to the area to check in.

the way this court works you have to check in over a phone. you walk into a little hallway, pick up a phone, dial a number, and tell them your there. it's really weird. so she went into the corner and jesse decided to shut up with the comment on how we dressed.

so she comes back and sits down on a bench about 10ft to our left on the other side of the hallway all by herself. so we go back to talking about playing Halo later or drinking. Then jesse makes another great discussion...

jesse: "how did you meet this girl? seems like you always meet crazy chicks"

being only 10ft away she obviously heard us. we didn't care though since she was alone and there was no one else around us. so i decide to answer back to at least keep a conversation going.

hans: "she was a cheerleader out here"
jeff: "at least she doesn't have a wall covered in your picture in her room like that girl on the east side you dated"

so i give this worried look to jesse as i suddenly realize, maybe she does, so instinctively we all look over at her and stare for a minute wondering if she has some obvious thing we could notice about her to prove she has a shrine built to me.

i realize how bad this might look and decide to ask my dad for a pen to write some notes.

Jesse: "so where's her lawyer"
jeff: "i dunno, go ask her"
jesse: "no you ask her"
hans: "shut up, she can hear you from here"
jesse: "then why didn't she answer us?"
jeff: "cause she's crazy"
dad: "quiet down!"

soo after a while of this obviously mildly retarded taking outside the courtroom we go in. i took a seat on the one side and we begin the trial. turns out she had no lawyer anymore, didn't bring any witness's or anyone at all with her for that matter. she came alone by herself. didn't even bring any evidence. The judge started out with the idea to dumb down the court procedure for us both so we could understand what was going on. luckily i had been studying law for a while now and knew details on motions and such so i was ready to kick some ass.

she made her opening statement and i immediatly objected with a motion for dismissial on the grounds of lack of relief.... the judge let her have another chance to try and fix her opening statement. since she was already probaby pissed about the discussion in the hallway earlier she had a hard time keeping her cool with me objecting every minute and forcing her to change her statements.

she was then able to take the stand after my opening remarks. which consisted of none of those great comments you guys mentioned above, but i will be writing those down for future use.

she got on the stand as her only witness and started lieing up a storm. which caused jeff and jesse to start giggling like school girls a few feet behind me. then when she was done the judge let me cross-examine. jesse whipsers to me just as i stand up "cross-examine her with your eyes crossed".

I ended up pissing her off on the stand a ton as i caught all her lies, and was able to prove they were lies according to earlier testimony on her part. I then pulled out phone records proving her calls to me and my none to her. She immediatly claimed it's not her cell phone. I asked the judge permission to have the baliff to call the number and see if her phone rings. she objected and the judge told me it wasn't necessary since he already had that same number i have listed on paper in front of him that she wrote it on for him. this last comment caused some side comments behind me, i assume they were something along the lines of she gave him her number for sex to win the case....

the case ended with her asking the judge why she didn't get to ask me questions under oath and the judge told her straight out that he would rather not spend anymore time on this case. he closed the case and issued a temporary 7 day protection order since i would be at my parents house till my 2nd court case the following week. he then mentioned he would send us both a letter with his full opinion on the matter so we could read it all.

so we left in seperate elevators and that was the end of the civil case.

I'll be at my criminal hearing monday morning and I'll see ifi can throw any quotes into my speech's then. I've been having all my court room appearances video taped as well as recorded by a person in the room. i figure they'll make great stocking stuffers for people to see her get all pissed off on the stand with me questioning her.

- hans (december 17, 2004 at 8:52 pm)
 
 

You're halfway there, man. Congrats.

- wallabysnot (december 18, 2004 at 6:24 am)
 
 

got the results of the trial in the mail today (confused a lot since it's sunday so i have no clue how it was delivered here...)

turns out she won the civil case and was issued the protection order and on the judges findings he supported her 9 comments she made and beleives from her testimony that she is and was in danger from me....

seriously has to be the most shocking and twisted news, just when i thought it was going to start getting better and finally be over....

i'll let ya know how tomorrow's criminal hearing in the morning goes.

- hans (december 19, 2004 at 2:18 pm)
 
 

Did she get any cash from you, or just a protection order? Was the protection order for 150 miles or whatever, or something different?

- rcl (december 19, 2004 at 8:26 pm)
 
 

i guess you were right about why she gave the judge her phone number

- einhander (december 20, 2004 at 7:25 am)
 
 

she got some sort of protection order from the ordeal, i don't have the final information as to what i can or can't do yet. Seem's the courts forgot to send me a copy of the protection order, they only sent me the judge's comments. Hopefully the judge only limited me to the county where she resides, as this would make logical sense.... Yet I'm guessing seeing how ass backwards this has been going, they probably gave her a 150mile radius protection order, forcing me to quit school and move out of the state. I'm thinking about an appeal, yet i'm getting sick of this crap already.

The criminal hearing today consisted of me meeting with my appointed attorney, aka the dipshit. He said I was stupid to defend myself in the civil case, I asked him "So why didn't you come to help?" and his responce "you didn't pay me" so then i ask "and who's paying for you right now?" at which he should have answered the same city trying to put you in jail because your poor, but instead he made some comments regarding how many lawyers are going to be on this case. He's pretty pissed off that I've taken the time to read EVERY word in the ohio supreme court's rules of conduct for civil and criminal trials. As well as me studying evidence submission for courts in ohio... I also took the time to read the Rules and regulations/Code of conduct for legal representation in the state of ohio, which basicly tells me how bad of a lawyer this guy is and could cost him his job if i get pissed off enough.

I'll be meeting with cptn. douchbag next wednesday to try and discuss some more legal matters on the case. He doesn't understand AIM conversations can be faked and printed out. So he's convinced her dozens of pages of conversation with a screen name that's not even mine is good evidence.... Which means I need to get AOL to write me a letter and have it sent to me in less than 7 days, talk about fun plans for my week. I order transcripts today from someone, so I imagine I should have copys of a lot more things by next week.

Is anyone interested in me putting up all the evidence online and such so you guys can go through it and see? Not sure if you guys are really into this or not, but everyone I know locally is getting into it since once you read a bunch of it and see it, it really makes no sense where this case has any grounds.

- hans (december 20, 2004 at 8:31 pm)
 
 

I'd like to see some evidence, this is like a really long episode of Judge Judy, but I'm sure not nearly as amusing to those involved. Is there any way to just settle this with your ex-girlfriend out of court? It seems like an extraordinary waste of time and money for both of you. Unless, of course, she actually is concerned for her safety.

- bertrand (december 20, 2004 at 10:59 pm)
 
 

fuck it, i got a lawyer for $2,500.... he's hiring a PI to go follow this bitch for a week and prove she's fucking lieing up a storm and crazy as fuck.... I have transcripts from my civil suit back, 46 pages, what's a good way to scan these to show them to you guys? PDF or something? Not really sure how to do that, was gonna just do a bunch of jpg's if i can't figure out a way......

- hans (january 2, 2005 at 2:30 pm)
 
 

not to imply that im not interested, but i think it might be a bad idea for you to start sharing court documents.

that said, PDF would probably be the easiest way. i'm sure we could host it somewhere.

- einhander (january 2, 2005 at 6:21 pm)
 
 

i don't think any of you plan to call up the judge and tell him i shared them online so i must be guilty. besides, i feel they should be public. the chicks a psycho bitch, why not share it so other people know.

- hans (january 3, 2005 at 12:02 am)
 
 

Wow... when did Penelope become a bitch?

- rcl (january 3, 2005 at 5:24 pm)
 
 

read up and you'll notice she's been making those comments the whole time....

i like this last one though, she turned what's real and swapped it backwards, this girl keeps calling me still. turns out, it's legal for her to harass me, but i'm required by law now to immediatly stop all contact and avoid her in any way possible. she's having a field day with this.....

hope my lawyer has a field day with her, and not in the same way the judge did...

- hans (january 3, 2005 at 7:18 pm)
 
 

oh well, yes ,I guess.
but have a happy new year anyway.

- penelope (january 4, 2005 at 10:21 am)
 
 

going in for another round of court friday morning. i'm not looking forward to it. she got online tonight and sent me a message, which as if i wasn't already frazzled enough fucked me way over the edge. she's like "hey, i'm soooo tired and bored. i'm really lonely, i miss you" lovely isn't it? i can't wait till this nightmare is over... whats the worst any of you would take in a plea bargin?

- hans (april 27, 2005 at 11:03 pm)
 
 

Sodomy.

- double d (april 28, 2005 at 11:08 am)
 
 

I would inform the court about the message she just sent you, claim the charges are trumped up, and ask for the case to be dismissed.

- rcl (april 28, 2005 at 4:49 pm)
 
 

we actually filed a reverse claim against her. turns out according to her phone records we finally got months after subpoena'ing them, she called me like 12 times the same day i filed a police report against her for harassing me. so were trying to use that against her... but she's full of it and the prosecutor and judge are starting to catch on every month when her story changes or she mentions how i did something else, and then i have some really good excuse or something. like when she claims i call her, and i get her phone records out and i go "see this call here? it's an outgoing call from her phone to my dads house.. see this call her? she called my friend down at college.. see this call here? this is some guy she's probably fucking... no incoming calls on her phone, she must not be popular unless she's harassing people or fucking them" 'course i say it pretty much just like that cause i get all emotionaly charged and then the lawyer gives me a dirty look for being "unprofessional"... that's what i pay him for. i just do the random outbursts. YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! gimme 3 more months and i'll probably do that. but i can't bring recording equipment into the court room. i tried already after u guys initially gave me the idea.

- hans (april 28, 2005 at 7:59 pm)
 
 

If you plea, you're a chump.

- rcl (april 29, 2005 at 6:26 pm)
 
 

this is why lawyers are so rich.

- penelope (april 29, 2005 at 10:01 pm)
 
 

I pled guilty to a misdemeanor 1 for menacing by stalking. The judge felt some sympathy for me and let me off without a 30 days jail sentance and instead gave me a lovely 1 year probation. I'm going to scan a copy of this BS probation orders they gave me. Initially they wanted me to drive up, ready for this? Weekly, to a building only 100 yards from her house to meet with an officer to make sure I've been staying away from her. Considering I live about 3 hours away from her I found this to be a brilliant idea. I can just see them planning this now:

Cop1: "So this punk kid decided to bother his ex eh?"
Cop2: "Yeah. But he pled guilty so now we get to punish him."
Cop1: "Hmm... Well lets see, how do we make sure he doesn't do it again?"
Cop2: "I know! We'll make him come up here every month just like he has been for court!
Cop1: "We can make him sit in an office with us accross the street from her to make sure he isn't going within 500feet of her!"
Cop2: "BRILLIANT!"
Cop1: "Let's do it weekly!"
Cop2: "Absolutely BRILLIANT!"

I argued this with them for about a good 2 hours friday until someone from the "smart deparment" decided maybe this might not be such a good idea. So then they setup a new plan.

Cop1: "We need to keep him away from our city"
Cop2: "I know! We can make him send in monthy reports to tell us he's not here!"
Cop1: "BRILLIANT!"
Cop2: "And we can put questions like, 'when did you last use drugs, and 'how many golf balls full of cocaine can you fit in your rectum!! "
Cop1: "Absolutely BRILLIANT!"


So they give me a stack of these papers to mail to them every month. I was fine with this. Then someone from the "Even smarter department" steped in to give some advice.

Cop2: "Were going to make him fill out papers so he doesn't come to our office and break the law!"
SmartGuy1: "Hmm, how about you make him visit an officer down in columbus weekly to make sure he's still down there?"
Cop1: "BRILLIANT!"
SmartGuy1: "Do we know any cops in columbus?"
Cop2: "No. Let's ask him if he knows any!"
Cop1: "BRILLIANT!!"


So later this week I'll be meeting with my probation officer to figure out the details of what all I'm required to do and such. So far the list mentions I can't leave the city, can't spend the night elsewhere without talking to my probation officer first, not allowed to consume alcohol or go to bars, I'm not allowed to have a cell phone(which i found funny when they asked for my phone number to be able to call me all the time), I have to take weekly drug tests, and the real kicker is I have to attend anger management sessions for a year.

What a fun long weekend I had. Anyone else do anything fun?

- hans (may 30, 2005 at 3:19 pm)
 
 

Do let us know what you do in Anger Management Sessions..............

Truly brilliant post

- penelope (may 31, 2005 at 12:05 am)
 
 

As requested here's a little follow up, 6 months later:

Anger management's probably the most exciting time I've ever had. First off, they encourage you to get mad at the sessions. I actually have no anger problems, nor did I before this whole fiasco. Which gave me a great chance to do much like bert has been doing with his psychologist, and mess around. I've been doing this really difficult act of pretending to be a possibly closet homosexual with a fear of just about everything. The difficult part is to not laugh. For example when I went in for my first day:

When reading this, read it with a slight lisp, smack your lips at every period, extend the last word and draw a deep breath at the commas, and above all, use your hands to talk.

me: "Hi, my names Hans. I don't spell it with a Z, but I think that might be a little too fabulous for even me to pull off. I was told to come here by my probation officer, he's a real cutie. He felt my court case against my ex girlfriend was enough to make him and his handsome little partner think I might have difficult controling my anger so here I am!"

group leader: "Can you tell us the last time you were upset, and how you reacted?"

me: "Oh sure, well it was about a week ago. I was at home watching sex and the city with my girlfriend whom I just finished having a hot passionate time with, so I went to get us a snack of some scrumscious B & J (ben and jerrys, but my gay roommate last year always refered to it as BJ or B&J, so i barrowed this) from the freezer when I stubbed my toe on one of her hot little high heels from steve madden, she got them at a sale earlier that week, just to die for."

group leader: "But how did you react then, when you got upset?"

me: "Well i totally blew up. I bit my lip and turned around and gave her a stern talking to"

group leader: "did you use profanity?"

me: "Heavens no! I told her that she could have had them ruined if I wasn't bare foot, and that would just be a horrible crime, as that sale was just too good to be true."



You can imagine how it went from there. They dismissed me after the first day of it, never to go back again. 1 obsticle down, a few more left. The other big exciting thing was the drug testing. They failed to transfer me to columbus, apparently they found out that I knew too many people down here in columbus, and that the country prosecutor in columbus was keeping on eye on the case. He wanted to take my ex to court for all the crap she did down here in columbus, but wasn't able to get her legally unless she was within 200miles and I filed charges, but I always filed a police report, but never charges. So drug testing, once a month it was.

I had to drive up to the building accross the street from her house for the drug testing. Where my probation officer would fill out a form, I'd take the form to the basement of the building where the lab was, and have them test me. The lab was little more than 4 policemen turned into honorary scientists. It's a pretty ghetto city. The way the system works for adults, is they classify you as to the odds of how likely you are to fail the test, and how likely you are to cheat on it. I was classified as never going to fail it, but that I was always going to try and cheat. I think the smart cop#2 was to blame for this. This threw me into an odd catagory. It ment they only needed to test me once a month, I could pick the day, but when they tested me, they full on tested me.

Let me explain how this works exactly for anyone never been professionaly drug tested. There's the visit your doctor and give a sample style, they give you a cup, you go home, come back the next day. Then there's the doctor walks you to a bathroom, hands you a cup, you come out with a sample. Most professional drug testing, there's someone in there with you watching you. Most of the time they stand behind you at a urinal or so, and just gaze at my ass. Creepy.... The two levels below what I received consisted of the guy instead of stands behind you, stands next to you and watches you. The other the guy makes you remove your pants first and anything around your lower region that could hide objects.

Mine I'd classify more like one of those full service gas stations, where they come out and wash your windows, check the oil, fill the tank, check tire pressure, and then give you a smack on the back of the car when it's all done and you can drive off. Except it probably more so resembled something like a full service strip club where the strippers were really perverted scientists.

I was able to get in plenty of trouble with this too. I have a hard time going under pressure, let alone someone operating my junk for me. So I had to find a way to break the tension, and so the conversations began with my 6 visits....

me: "You've got some cold hands there you know"
he remained silent....

me: "This is great, normally I have to buy a chick a few drinks first"
he gives me a weird ass look
me: "Uhhh I mean, well, their better. I think it's the effort that counts, do I get a comment card to fill out when were done?"

me: "Long time no see, any chance we can switch this time?"
gives me a slight laugh
me: "Don't worry, I showered this morning, just for you"

the 4th time was the best, I figured I wanted to mess with the guy some so I colored my junk with a green highlighter
me: "Does this look normal to you?"
he starts to laugh but quickly catches himself
me: "OOOOOooooo your cold hands are soo soothing on it, it kind of burns a little I suppose"

the 5th visit I couldn't squeeze out a drop. I had to stand there for about 10minutes with this guy. I forget what we talked about, I think i asked him for some beer and said how that always made me have to go. keep in mind drinking is not allowed on my probation either.

the 6th visit i drank maybe a gallon of water before to make sure I had to go
me: "I'd really like to ask you something"
him: "What?"
me: "I've been coming here 6 months and you've still yet to tell me if i'm pregnant!"
this resulted in me getting an even stricter testing for fear of me cheating...


After my 6th months were up, maybe 3-5 weeks ago, I received a phone call in the morning from my probation officer telling me I've been removed from the system on account of my good behavior. Personally I felt making an ass of the system was bad behavior.


This bring you all up to date then. I'm now back to being a full citizen or something, and I'll be able to clear my record in about a year or so to make it look like this never happened. I'll copy and paste part of the journal from it showing what I ended up pleaing to, and then being released.


05/31/05 SENTENCING

DEFT APPEARED IN COURT FOR SENTENCING AFTER HAVING ENTERED

A PLEA OF GUILTY TO THE FOLLOWING CHARGES:

COUNT 1: MENACING BY STALKING, 2903.211(A), M-1

UPON CONSIDERATION OF ALL MATTERS SET FORTH BY LAW IT IS THE

JUDGEMENT OF LAW AND SENTENCE OF THE COURT THAT THE DEFT

BE SENTENCED:

COUNT 1: 30 DAYS IN LCCF

SENTENCE OF IMPRISONMENT IN LCCF IS SUSPENDED, THE FINE AND

COSTS ARE NOT SUSPENDED, AND THE DEFT IS PLACED ON PROBATION

FOR 1 YEAR ENDING 5/27/06. DEFT IS ORDERED TO PAY THE

COSTS OF SUPERVISION FEES OF $240.00. NO CONTACT WITH

VICTIM. OBEY ALL ORDERS AND DIRECTIONS OF THE ADULT

PROBATION DEPARTMENT. (EMZ) VOL. 958 PAGE 3273

10/27/05 PROB/TERM

PROBATIONER IS HEREBY DISCHARGED FROM PROBATION AND

RESTORED TO ALL CIVIL RIGHTS. SEE JOURNAL.

- hans (november 28, 2005 at 11:13 pm)
 
 

They didn't literally hold your dick, did they?

- rcl (november 29, 2005 at 12:12 pm)
 
 

i'm with you on the drug testing stage fright blues. last time it took me three tries, even after drinking a quart of water. the observer (not holder) starting running the faucet. best trick is to count by 7's.

- einhander (november 29, 2005 at 3:42 pm)
 
 

you have to keep your hands on these 2 spots on the wall in front of you, while he holds the cup.... might as well hold it himself, he bumped it enough

- hans (november 29, 2005 at 4:26 pm)
 
 

Hello Hans,

Is the Hermes scarf "Monarch" still available for $240?

GranbyGirl

- granbygirl (march 12, 2006 at 6:03 pm)
 
 

oops!

Granbygirl, mail me at mail@designersilkscarf.com

Monarch sold some time ago and should not show on the site ,unless you are approaching it through an old connection.
Unless you mean Chiens de Chasse that ( very like Monarch ),with all the different views of a hound . ( Poiret probably used monarch as a model).Chiens de chasse is still for sale.

Bert will probably smack us for scarfing here ,so mail me .

As far as I know Hans is not into Hermes.

But then again anything is possible .

If I have got this wrong please ignore .

- penelope (march 12, 2006 at 9:50 pm)
 
 

umm... yeah i dunno much about hermes, but if i had a $240 snot rag, i'd probably be eating better than ramen noodles and tunafish sandwiches lately...

- hans (march 13, 2006 at 6:50 am)
 
 

nah ,they dont taste that good.

- penelope (march 13, 2006 at 7:00 am)
 
 

uh,just reread Hans and the Beanstalk.

have you moved on from 2 yrs ago and do you still have magic beans?

- penelope (july 31, 2007 at 11:20 am)
 
 

Yeah I moved on a long time ago, I think I just sort of woke up one day 2 years ago and realized what my life is/was/becoming. I spoke to the girl that took me to court in December (7 months ago), apparently she had been knocked up about 6 times since then and was currently having problems with a boyfriend who turned out to be married twice already, has 3 kids, and wasn't interested in her after she got pregnant, but soon as she had another miscarriage was all about getting back into bed with her.

Which tells me two things, 1 she really was good in bed, and 2, she really had a ton of issues I didn't want to deal with.

- hans (july 31, 2007 at 6:01 pm)
 
 

You still kicking around Columbus hans?

- gatekeeper (august 5, 2007 at 9:03 pm)
 
 

yup... I finally finish college in December and I'll probably just keep the job I have for a year or two after for the sake of paying off debt.

- hans (august 6, 2007 at 9:01 pm)
 
 

yeah i wish i saw this earlier, cause I'm an engineering major over at ohio state, going into my 4th year in the fall.

- gatekeeper (august 6, 2007 at 10:43 pm)
 
 

I dropped engineering for an Arts and Sciences degree. Never ever do a personalized study program. I'm heading out to the bar to drink by myself for the night, apparently I just found out one of my roommates is actually doing my now ex or something so I've decided to move in the next 3 weeks and I hate my life.

If you know 4 kegs, feel free to come say hi. I'm the guy in shorts and a long sleeve shirt drinking by myself.

- hans (august 7, 2007 at 6:04 pm)
 
 

Dont you just hate waking up hungover?ReactionActionReaction?Sound familiar?

- penelope (august 7, 2007 at 11:13 pm)
 
 

yeah the hang over sucked. i write post it notes to myself when i'm drunk so i can read them when i wake up. it's sometimes amusing enough to make the hangover worthwhile.

- hans (august 8, 2007 at 3:00 pm)
 
 

Dude, 4 kegs? Is it still the kiddy bar or has that changed for the summer?

We should go out drinking sometime though, I think you're stories (already good in their own right) would benefit from alcohol and physical presence.

I can just see you making ridiculous hand gestures when talking about your junk and how the police man had to hold it. And I don't even know what you look like, which somehow makes it better.

- gatekeeper (august 8, 2007 at 10:06 pm)
 
 

haha... yeah, I don't really tell those stories in person ever. That's one of those stories you can trust to people online that can understand you in depth over time and not care about a first impression. Plus it's easier to laugh about it when I don't need to worry about someone at the next table over hearing I'm a convicted stalker. Which I apparently suck at and even facebook can't help me on that one.

4 kegs is 21 and up now that Jerome got sick of all the kiddie problems. It's decent on weeknights when there are only about 10 customers and it's 5 coors pounders for $7.

- hans (august 9, 2007 at 3:54 pm)
 
 

Any alcohol seems to leave me ill now, so, just a glass of wine with Sunday lunch sometimes.
Have done this for a year and drink coffee.
and yes, its totally not worth it and really boring.

but its alcohol evangelism in the UK . Streets run with pissed 10 year olds and skids of vomit.

What is there to do if you're not stalking people? jihad sounds fun.









- penelope (august 10, 2007 at 12:34 am)
 
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