Wow!! Talk about changing the past. You see Bert, I already have what I've written here, on what's called, a "word" document. And it's certainly a good thing you can't "legally" keep me from editing something that I have already written...

LOOK! I'm not against you, at all! and you already know, there is only one person on here who I have a problem with. The same person I've tried to make peace with two times on here as well as the same person I've even apologized to on one occassion, simply to stop this bullshit from happening in the first place!!!! Hey! Congratulations Bert! You just made $16 off of the stupidity of two people apparantly... Way TO go!

I don't care what you do, do whatever the hell you want! If you personally don't want me to return, I really don't give a rats ass, I could find a gazillion other websites, just like this one... With people who may not necessarily agree with me, but also people who are not as idiotic as people like Sir Fuckward the Conquistador: That's Hans to all you newbies out there. I just can't wait until Hans claims to be YOU!

oh god,

its my dad

haven't had any children yet thank you...well, none that I know of at least..who really knows..?

i used to eat paint chips too!!!..... oh wait, your serious?

as an owner of 5 motorcycles, that i ride yearly (yes i ride every day, rain, shine, snow, wind, etc), I can tell you the money you save is next to none. Sure, you can save money on an electric asspounder scooter but wtf good is that when the electric motor burns out and you have to buy a new one every year..

when you really sit back and survey the cost expenses from the standpoint of working with the GM hybrid program that i used to be in here at OSU, you realize, it's nearly pointless. the best vehicle was an electric/diesel, and it saved the guy that drove it, $500 a year roughly when calculated... the amount extra he had to spend in to get this vehicle, go out of the way to buy the diesel at times, and special mechanics for the motor/systems to be repaired and looked after, it cost the same.

sure, maybe when everyone does it at the same time we can all make it work.. or maybe we can all just jump at the same time and make the earth move out of orbit and crash into another planet full of resources to burn.

the only real solutions are going to be, fusion, solar, wind, and hydro power. nuclear is great but with waste/byproduct and the amount of heat expelled by a nuclear fission plant, there's a ton of wasted energy being expelled. if you don't understand what i mean, go drive by a nuclear fission plant and take a look at the steam coming out of the cooling stacks. That steam is wasted heat energy.

all in all, were attempting to burn, blow up, or create more heat to produce energy. in the end, were gonna melt this planet just for energy. until cold fusion is developed no matter what type of resource we move to, it's always going to end up like this sooner or later.

I was in Beijing last month and there were about 50 billion Chinamen riding bicycles. It was also the most polluted city I've ever been to in my life. You know why? Because there was also about 50 billion Chinamen driving cars. We rented bicycles one day and riding a bicycle in China is probably one of the most dangerous activities you could possibly engage in. I say this with great bias because it was my second time riding a bike in my life.

So I can confirm the fact that there are quite a few people in China riding bicycles, but as far as these electric scooters and mopeds you're talking about, I don't think I saw a single one.

I lived in Prague for a year. Every three months I would purchase a transportation pass for $40 and take the metro, trams, and buses everywhere. It was very relaxing, but at the same time, it took about 30 minutes to get somewhere that could have been handled by a car in about 3 minutes. At the same time, I couldn't really bitch about gas prices there because if I did, a Czech person would laugh at me. You know why? Examine this chart for a second:

Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

That's right, it costs $4.19 a gallon for gas there. And not a single person bitches about it. You know why? Because people take public transportation everywhere. It makes a lot of sense, considering they start drinking at 8 in the morning.

Last last weekend I drove up to San Francisco to go wine tasting with some friends and I spent about $120 in gas in a weekend.

Let's think about this: I spent $160 in transportation in a year in the Czech Republic and in California, in a single weekend, I spent about $120 in gas.

So my recommendation is: move somewhere that has working public transportation or isn't so spread the fuck out that you have to drive 15 miles to do anything. Or move to Venezuela, where gas is $0.12 a gallon.

What I would like to see, though, is for you to take your electric scooter or moped out here to L.A. and see if you even last a weekend. If you'd get anywhere you wanted to go, and if you'd get killed in the process.

A friend of mine here was telling me he hopes gas prices will keep going up because that will convince people to do something about it. I told him he's a fucking moron and he told me I'm not thinking about seven generations from now and I said, "No, I'm thinking about zero generations from now. I'm thinking about this generation and how I spent $42 to fill up my tank last week."

The best part about this is, what exactly has he done about it? Gas prices have risen 300% in the last five years and surely he should be convinced to do something about it, but what has he done about it? That's right, jack and shit.

So while I admire your efforts, instead of just talking the way most people do, I don't think mopeds are really the answer to our problems. I don't think mopeds and electric scooters will ever be the answer to any problem, unless you have a problem with looking heterosexual.

I must say, I really like you people.. Truth is, I'm somewhat new to this. I'd really like to see if we can get the word out to as many people as possible and I'm not trying to pretend I have all the answers cause indeed, I don't. As a matter of fact, the short list I gave as things we would have to do in the next 20 some odd years whether we liked it or not (Besides the idea of converting four wheel vehicles to two and three wheel vehicles) was actually compiled from a few other people I ended up arguing with on other websites. It's good to have a conversation rather than an argument, especially when all of us our interested in the same thing any way, we just have our own differing view points on the way things really work.

So, electrical mopads and motor scooters are a shitty idea and don't usually exist in Asia, I didn't know that. The closest I've ever been to Asia is on a TV show or in a movie. That list of gas prices across the world was fairly impressive I must say.. Just goes to show you it's not necessarily a national problem it's also more of a worldwide problem for those countries that don't use public transportation of some sort or another, if that's even the case, i don't really know..

Even so, OIL isn't necessarily going to be around forever either.. Only so many dinosaurs died when the big one hit the Earth who knows how many years ago and sooner or later we're going to have to find other means of fueling our cars then by desicrating their bodies and polluting the environment.. Unless of course we want to start desicrating the bodies of our own fore fathers in the efforts of continuing to pollute the environment? Otherwise, we'll all be smokers, according to Henry Ford.. Who knows, depending on how you look at things if the whole world smoked, maybe the whole world wouldn't be so uptight about things all the time.

And if it takes a person 10-20-30 some odd years from now to go out into that sunlight for five minutes to get an instant sunburn that will hopefully turn into a "tan" or more of a "crispy" color in a week of staying inside and putting aloe vira on their bodies to make them feel good about themselves, why not, I'm all for the idea? Although, I prefer the natural look thank you... Then, the OIL industry will automatically be able to shift its entire manufacturing sector into more of an "Oxygen" industry.. And we will have "Oxygen" refiniries to create "Oxygen" for those who wish to be able to breathe when they travel in their Solar Radiation Protective Suits... THEN, we can even take the chemicals used to create pharmaceuticals and other party drugs and convert them into synthetic gasses which we will then be able to up load into our "oxygenated" suits and that way we can get all the drugs we currently need to survive, right? Are you with me here? Let's get the word out shall we? The future is in all of OUR hands no matter how you look at it... Let's try and remember our past lives to learn from our mistakes, our present lives to stay in the "now" moment and our future lives to plan for what's to come..

personally, I like this idea:

"the only real solutions are going to be, fusion, solar, wind, and hydro power."

This idea:

"I was in Beijing last month and there were about 50 billion Chinamen riding bicycles."

HALF of this idea:

"Let's think about this: I spent $160 in transportation in a year in the Czech Republic and in California, in a single weekend, I spent about $120 in gas."

And I don't have a problem with looking heterosexual so I guess I won't go sacrificing my life trying to drive a mopad in California just yet.. After all, I've been there and I do know just what you are talking about... A motorcycle on the other hand is another question... I may be willing to risk that...

I don't like this idea though I do believe that would be pretty funny if it were possible:

"or maybe we can all just jump at the same time and make the earth move out of orbit and crash into another planet full of resources to burn."

And I don't like the idea of most people doing this to help solve this problem even though for the most part it is currently true:

"jack and shit"

Some interesting ideas here. I have also heard that hitting them where it hurts, in the pocketbook is one way of protesting. I actually recieved an e-mail the other week mentioning that we all stop purchasing gas from the two main gas stations. I know people are irate and angry over the high prices and we all pound our chests and bemoan the high prices, but to actually all pool together as one, I just don't see it happening. We seem to have become a nation of being all talk and no action. Not only have we become lazy we have become apathetic to the problems and are willing to just sit back and wait for someone else to take care of the situation. Until we realize, and decide to actually form a group that goes nationwide, strong enough to actually make a dent, none of the solutions or ideas listed here will do a bit of good, six months from now, or 20 years from now. It took a nation of people to fight the British, not just a couple of people. Signing petitions isn't enough either, after all they are going to the politicians that are in "bed" with the gas companies.....So yes, lets, start in our backyard doing our part to try and get lower gas prices, but we must also as a whole nation form a group so strong and powerful that it will truly hit them where it hurts! - liza's twin

The group that we form has to start somewhere, why not here?? I say, plaster this bad boy all over the Internet, cut and paste into emails and we'll see who gets a wake up call as to what is really going on... Yes, politicians have continued to throw stones into their own glass houses for quite some time now, and now it's time for us as a united people to take our baseball bats to their glass houses which indeed have already cracked, especially with the continuing "Katrina" devolopments...

I donated my $25 dollars but what good is it going to do if the "Red Cross" for instance plays another 9/11 by stuffing it away for future disasters instead of continuing to help the poor people who have been affected by this current one?? Not much good if you ask me... I'd rather walk up to one of those people on the street and give them the $25 personally.. This is all "literally" speaking of course, except for the part about handing the money directly to those who you know are directly in need... The only real way to fight this out is by as you mentioned "liza's twin" getting as many people as possible to pick one of these ideas and go to work on it... Honestly, with the full force and power of the Internet behind us, that shouldn't really be too hard to do, should it?

In fact, there really is only one thing I'm afraid I'm going to have to directly disagree with you about "liza" and that is how "lazy" we as a nation are.... We are not nearly as educated as we need to be but that does not make us "lazy" not by any stretch of the imagination... There are a lot of people out there who are working two part-time jobs totaling 50-60+ hours per week at minimum wage just to live week by week on their current pay checks... Pick up the book, "Your call is important to us" subtitled "the truth about BULLSHIT" by Laura Penny if you would like a real good understanding of the fact this world has not only gone to hell in a handbasket but is also growing.

All these people are literally busting there asses while the bureaucrats and CEOs of pencil pushing conservatives and yes liberals sit behind their desks and tell everyone else what to do while they continue to draw in well over their fair share of the wealth that this country creates on a yearly basis... If I could draw a picture for you on what the current distribution for wealth looks like on this it would look, not like a bell curve, but more like a "dunce" hat with the top 1% of americans raking in 33% of the nations wealth, the top 4% bringing in that of around 26%, the middle class which is probably around 55% taking in 15% of the nations wealth and the poor and/or homeless at "ZERO wealth" burning government funds to keep them living....... Now, who has the right to be pissed off right now? -BJY-

Hey,
I have a co- mummy who has put her five children through public school (thats private in the US) fees paid by Oxfam,for whom she works .
Thats Oxford aid for Famine Relief,one of Englands largest charities.

Thats about 3,000.000$ OF CONTRIBUTIONS

ARE YOU SHOCKED ,WELL THERE ARE 2 MORE FAMILIES AT MY SON'S SCHOOL DOING JUST THE SAME.
(uh ,my caps haved locked)

So never ,never give to anything except medicin sans frontiers

sorry,heavy finger

Gee Wizz mr. bertrand... First of all, allow me to thank you for the opportunity of using this wonderful site to get my thoughts out... After all, how much is it costing? And, yes, I'm not paying... Again, I like the idea of having conversations rather than arguments.. Afterall, we are all interested in being able to breathe "Oxygen" in another 20-30 years from now, right? The conversation I was having with the people who came up with this list:

Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

Was pretty impressive... Now, let's not forget what the point of this is... Before I begin, Bill Gates happens to sit on the very top of the "Dunce" hat that represents the current flow of our nations distribution of overall wealth which represents a WHOPPING 1% of the nations population and brings in only a measely 33% of the nations wealth... Here's a RECAP for all of us...

"Try doing anything listed within above article to cut down on costs as well as demand of Gas/Oil in the short run, preferably before we are all forced to do so anyway when it is most convenient for the Gas/Oil industry"

"the only real solutions are going to be, fusion, solar, wind, and hydro power"

Etc.

I already mentioned this after learning something new the other day:

"So, electrical mopads and motor scooters are a shitty idea and don't usually exist in Asia"

As far as donating to charities is concerned, here's a snippet from a news article for you:

CHARITIES ARE FOR SUCKERS
By Ted Rall Tue Sep 13, 8:06 PM ET

Leave Katrina Relief Efforts to Government


"For our leaders the optional war against Iraq is such a priority, which the Congressional Budget Office expects to cost $600 billion by 2010. That's four or five Katrinas right there. (That's also where the levee money went.) Because rich people are always a political priority, their taxes have been slashed by $4 trillion over a decade--the equivalent of 32 Katrinas. So worried are our public servants about the tax burden placed on the rich that they're looking out for rich dead people. This is why they've gutted the estate tax that, at a cost of $75 billion annually, will run half a Katrina a year. Trickle-down economists beginning with Milton Friedman shout "starve the beast," but while the social programs are put on a diet, the mean and powerful pig out more than ever.

Disaster relief is too important to be left to private fundraisers, with their self-sustaining fundraising expenses, administrative overhead (nine percent for the Red Cross) and their parochial, often religious, agendas. It's also way too expensive. In the final analysis, after the floodwaters have receded and the poor neighborhoods of New Orleans have been razed under eminent domain, major charities will be lucky if they've managed to raise one percent of the total cost of Katrina. Congress, recognizing the reality that only the federal government possesses the means to deal with the calamity, has already allocated $58 billion--over 70 times the amount raised by charities--to flood relief along the Gulf of Mexico. As Bush says, that's only a "down payment."

Cutting a check to the Red Cross isn't just a vote for irresponsible government. It's a drop in the bucket compared to what you'll end up paying for Katrina in increased taxes.

Granted, in terms of popularity of likelihood of success, trying to make a case against giving money to charities compares to lobbying against puppies. The impulse to donate, after all, is rooted in our best human traits. As we watched New Orleanians die of thirst, disease and anarchic violence in the face of Bush Administration disinterest and local government incompetence, millions of us did the only thing we thought we could to do to help: cut a check or click a PayPal button. Tragically, that generosity feeds into the mindset of the sinister ideologues who argue that government shouldn't help people--the very mindset that caused the levee break that turned Katrina into a holocaust and led to official unresponsiveness. And it is already setting the stage for the next avoidable disaster.

It's time to "starve the beast": private charities used by the government to justify the abdication of its duties to its citizens."

Please keep in mind, these are not my words, though I do agree with most of what Ted is saying. Again, most of what Ted is saying...

If this is a happy thought:

"Then, the OIL industry will automatically be able to shift its entire manufacturing sector into more of an "Oxygen" industry.. And we will have "Oxygen" refiniries to create "Oxygen" for those who wish to be able to breathe when they travel in their Solar Radiation Protective Suits... THEN, we can even take the chemicals used to create pharmaceuticals and other party drugs and convert them into synthetic gasses which we will then be able to up load into our "oxygenated" suits and that way we can get all the drugs we currently need to survive, right?"

Then alrighty then, let's let the whole thing fall by the way side...

And no, I'm not pro cancer, I'm pro humanitarian future life...

You're a little more extremist than me pacman, but generally speaking I agree with what your saying. I'm pro-breathable atmosphere in 20 years. I definitely think we are fucking ourselves right now. Oil will definitely run out in our lifetimes, at least to the extent that there is any that provides us a net energy gain to get out of the ground.

The only thing I donate to Red Cross is blood and time. If you are talking about major disaster preparation and recovery the federal government is about the only one who can do it. NGO's and charities just don't have the muscle.

My 1988 Land Cruiser gets 11.3 miles per gallon...

Although the MO-PAD that you speak of mr. pac man sounds interesting. Is it like a new magic carpet?

Donating to charity makes me feel better, besides I teach for red cross and my employer matches all my donations.

The main theme I'm shooting for here is trying to get the word out to as many people as possible. Whether my opinions are extreme, right or wrong, nothing can change the facts of the situation we are all in. As already mentioned thrice now mr. melv, "electrical mo-pads seem to be a stupid idea." If every dollar you donate to Red Cross gets matched by your employer then all power to you. If most people were that fortunate, there'd be no need for the governent to get involved but as mentioned in said article charities only account for 1% of what is needed to get us out of the hole we are in.

Personally, here's what I'd like to see. People like you and me blasting these solutions all over the Internet in any way we can think of. It's the only realistic way to get the word out and there's no realistic reason not to do it, other than wanting to step outside for five minutes in twenty years from now to get an instant sunburn while smoking half a cigarrete just by breathing in that fresh SMOKY air...

Please let me qualify what I meant by "lazy". I meant no disrespect to the hard working people out there. I only meant by the fact that instead of driving to our mailboxes, we should walk...lazy in the fact that we use are motor veichles way to often, when in reality we could walk, or ride our bikes. I remember as a kid growing up, my parents wouldn't drive me here and drive me there. I was always told, "walk, it will do you good!" I am so aware of how there are many people that NEED to work mulitple jobs just to make ends meet. I once upon a time was one of the people, working two full time jobs totally 80 hours, not to get ahead but to just stay afloat. I seriously did not intend to offend anyone with my comment.

I feel that you are pissing in the wind here .
Sure,you guys ride around a lot in SUVs ,
But most of the rest of non US do things differently.
What ever a few golden American's try to give up wont effect the rest of the world
when we Chinese get our cars.
So just enjoy the ride and quit bleeding .
dont you just get SICK when the HAVES bleed.?

"liza" it's good to hear your point of view on "laziness" and I totally agree. I'm certain no one was offended by your comment and it was not my intention to make your original comment appear offensive.

You're totally correct "penelope" in that most of the non US do things differently. In fact, most of the non U.S. isn't the major problem here, it's mostly just the U.S. I thought I was making that point clear. OK, so maybe I am just pissing in the wind here. However, the more people I can get to stand along side me and start pissing in the wind in the same direction I am currently pissing, the more chance that wind is going to carry our "piss" into the faces of politicians, bureaucrats, CEOs and the 1-4% of the nations population currently bringing in over 59% of the nations wealth who are currently doing absolutely NO-THING to help ensure we will be able to walk around "outside" without first putting on our Solar Radiation Protective Suits 20 years from now, don't you agree "penelope"?

The have-nots are bleeding, the HAVES are not.. The HAVES have well over their fair share of power in dealing with our current and ongoing chrisis but trickle-down economics has not, does not and will NEVER work.. As far as the HAVES are concerned, I'd like to see more people like Angelina Jolie who has spent many months of time fighting and putting her own efforts and monetary resources into helping third world countries while putting her own face in front of the starving masses..And I'd like to see less of the George W. Bush's out there... Here's a little something from Bill Maher on Dubya!

In his closing monologue the other night, Bill Maher hit's the nail on the head...literally! Addressing George W. Bush, Maher says:

"Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you anymore. There's no more money to spend--you used it all up. You can't start another war because you've used up the army as well. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: HELPING POOR PEOPLE! Listen to your mom. The cupboards bare, the credit cards are maxed out, no one is speaking to you...mission accomplished!

Now it's time to do what you've always done best. Loose interest and walk away. Just like you did with your military service, the oil company, and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about Cowboy or Space Man??? Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as president could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know...there's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela; eliminating the sales tax on yachts; turning the space program over to the church; giving social security to Fannie Mae; and giving embryos the vote. But Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel Drives. You've performed so poorly that I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a peice of the pentegon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: TAKE A HINT!!!"

Dont grieve,its really so much better in your land than ever it was in the past.
Its good that you can stand next to other countries and have a disaster now and again.
If your lifestyle is so huge ,its going to look bad when you take a dip.
The biggest buildings look bad when they come down ,you lose a lot if you have a flood in a huge city.Why should you be perfect?
No one is starving in the US unless they are mad ,and people love dollars anywhere in the world.
The people in Irac are killing each other because they are tribal .not because the US made them do it.They have to do this to reach a consensus.the US just gave them the chance.Besides sitting in the Middle East ready to lean on Moslem Evangelists who are about to take out the world.If You guys start being isolationist again we will be back in 1930.
Take a look at Vietnam ,they went through a Catharsis and yes ,all they want now is market economy.it may not be pretty ,but thats what poor people want.
Cant you see ,theres nothing you or Angelina Jolie can do about the basic desire of people for a better life ,and thats yours already. So if it means frying the world so that Indians can have fridges ,who are you to say NO.

Get the scientists working on the tube technology immediatly.

I had to laugh yesterday. My dad, who is a pretty strict Republican, was talking shit on Bush. Mainly about how he's going to bankrupt the country. He was going on and on about how he's just dumping $2 billion into the rebuilding of New Orleans, and how that's the equivilant of giving each person there $200,000. You know he's just throwing money at the problem and walking away. What a great guy.

I drive a car. It uses gas. I have a job. I can afford lots of gas. Several months ago, the illegal Mexicans decided to (and I swear to "god" I'm not making this up) boycott buying gas and RedBull on a particular day of the week because the government of California wouldn't give them drivers' licenses. Let me tell you how well that worked. I will continue to buy gas. We have hybrid cars. We have electric cars. Back in the day, not many people had any car.... then the technology matured, and now many people have cars. In time, people might start using more fuel efficent vehicles or whatnot, but really, why rush it? Do you think that in 20 years or 50 years, or whenever all the oil on this planet runs out, mankind is really going to be fucked that badly? I don't think so. That's a lot of time for the economy to make alternitive fuel vehicles a part of every day life. So, in the mean time, stop bitching, stop whining, stop making this in to an overly political issue, and just learn to enjoy life as it is. Besides, if you worked for about an hour per day, M-F at McDonalds, you could pay for your gas all year long... think about it. The only lame thing about the gas price hike right now is that there really isn't a reason for it. Gas typically trades bases on supply and demand. There is plenty of supply, but the oil companies are playing making excuses for them to make more money: The US is at war, therefore gas costs more. There was a hurricane, therefore gas costs more. There was a car bomb that went off in Ireland today, therefore gas costs more. J-Lo and Ben had a fight, therefore gas costs more. Its lame, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to start driving a Prius or that I'm going to stop buying gas.

i'm not worried about not having fuel for vehicles. i can always buy a bike and move close to work. what worries me is not having energy to power industry, commerce, and civilization in general. a large part of our energy comes from oil. what will we use to power everything when it runs out? coal is dirty. none of the alternative energy sources (ie wind, geothermal, solar) can provide power on the sort of scale needed currently. nuclear would be a good option, but we would probably have needed to start building up the infrastructure for it a few decades ago.

See, it's good to see someone else who is speaking my language, as einhander said, "We should have been working on these solutions 'yester-year' not today." The longer we wait, the worse it's going to get for all of us. So that completely shoots down 'rcls' theory of lets just wait and let whatever happens happen.

As far as 'penelope' is concerned, no, I don't believe we should become isolationists again and yes I recognize how fortunate a person is just to be born in the U.S. However, I believe as the U.S. we need to start more planning for more of a Global economy. Fact is, we're the most 'individualistic' society on this planet and have more resources than any other country on this planet as well. What we need is less 'selfishness' and more 'selflessness' and that is the only way anyone is going to survive 20-30 years from now. As things stand right now, we are indeed late as stated by einhander but in fact we are not too late. There are things we can all do to change things and to begin planning for the future not just of ourselves but for our children and our childrens' children.

As 'double d' mentioned even the republicans are beginning to hate Bush and they have good reason to as well. Fact is, Bush has not done a good job of representing his own party throughout both terms of his office as president. His mismanagement of funding has indeed turned our budget from a surplus to one of the largest deficits this country has ever seen. It's too bad he can't be impeached now.

As for 'rcls' comment of if you worked for mcdees for one hour a day you'd be able to afford gas but you wouldn't be able to afford to eat at mcdees so how silly is that idea?

Lastly, yes, Americans have a better life than most other countries, the problem is that 5 percent of America controls over 59% of americas wealth while the remaining 95% of Americans enjoy the remaining 41%. And realistically, 55% of Americans sit as a middle class bringing in less than 15% of the nations wealth.. What is wrong with this picture? If Bush wore a hat that represents our nations current distribution of wealth, again, it would be a "dunce" hat. No, I'm not saying I believe in communisim but even that would be better than this.

As a government, we need more regulations of the corporations. A corporation is currently looked at as being a virtual person. You have to be some kind of idiot to not recognize the difference between a person with a life span of 80 or less years on average and a multibillion dollar corporation with locations worldwide who is in effect in fact immortal to the limitations of time and matter. These corporations need to be MADE to clean up after themselves and the ones who should be doing the PAYING should be the ones who are telling everyone at their companies what to do.

As a nation, we've got 5% of our population telling the remaining 95% of our nation what to do and then the 95% of our nation does what they are told, it's that simple. I couldn't paint a clearer picture of the way this nation actually works. This isn't whining, this is stating the facts. Heh, I'm enjoying myself here, I'm having a fricken ball, I love reading some of your responses to this. It's good to see people are waking up and paying attention. Like 'einhander' I'm not worried about having fuel for vehicles either because I can always buy a bike and move closer to work as well. In 20-30 years from now, it might look kind of funny trying to do that on a two wheel bike while wearing my Solar Radiation Protective Suit though. Well, if I'm lucky, maybe if I live a block away, I can just walk.

Nuclear fuel is a very dodgy future.
My friend Steve Levey was born in Sellafield ,home to Britains largest nuclear reactor and died of leukiemia,as have a very high percentage of other children in that village ,something that they keep very quiet about here.
Me,next year, I'm selling up to go live on a yacht ,so if the polar icecap melts ,I'm on it .
Phew.

Come on rcl....if this isn't a political issue, I would like to know what is? You don't think that they keep uping the gas prices for no good reason isn't political? Our esteemed elected officials COULD do something about it, but choose NOT too, because after all it would be taking money out of their pockets as well, and heaven forbid THAT happen. I drive a car too, and therefore have to put gas in it to keep running. So does that make us special? No. You say to stop whining and bitching and to enjoy life. I do enjoy life, but it would be so much easier to enjoy, if prices would just stop going up, and yes that includes gas prices. Prices keep going higher and higher, but do the wages? Heavens no. Your statement about working an hour a day at McDonalds mon-fri you could afford to put gas in your car. Well, that statement really is ridiculous, because that is about all you could afford to do. What about a place to live, what about food to cook, what about insurance to keep your car on the road, and last but not least, what about when you get sick and have medical bills. Does Mcdonalds offer insurance, do 85% of companies where minimum wage is paid offer medical insurance? Hell no, so now, you can't afford to get sick. I work at slightly above minimum wage, my employer thinks they are doing me a favor by offering inusance. But what I would have to pay for that insurance, I would have to take on two other jobs just to live. I know for a fact mcdonalds only offers insurance to their managers, like most other fast food places in town. So you see, it is ALL political, you can't say that it isn't. But we, the hard working people, just trying to keep our heads above water AND enjoy life, like you propose, will always be doing just that, because the oil companies, the medical companies and all of the other companies are just concerned about their vacation homes and keeping their toys in life to worry about the rest of us, and as long as these companies are in bed with the politicians, unfortunately all we are going to be able to do is bitch and whine as is our given right.

yeah !
We all kno that GW is in bed with the Saudis!
but what can you do ?
This is why people ride planes into buildings,
Unfortunately the one for the White House never made it .

you cant get Tornados in Washington,can you ?

Actually ,Im totally pissed off. Up early to buy a Hermes Scarf off Ebay,only to find that the person in Colorado wont sell abroad!Talk about US isolationism!Waste of a morning's sleep!

Thank you "liza." And "penelope," now that's what I call thinking of others instead of just yourself.. Go right ahead, buy that yacht and see how long you will be able to live on it if the polar ice caps melt 30 years from now without food. Mcdees doesn't float. The only way you'd be able to survive is to make sure your 'yacht' is the size of the Arch,, not one of the golden 'Archs' either,, and then fill it up with enough cows and bulls to live on hamburgers till your dieing day. You'd also have to have room and board for a couple of butchers unless you plan on killing those cows yourself and the cows and bulls would also need plenty of grass to eat as well in order to keep them mating and alive long enough to fulfill your Mcdees fantasy. Unless of course you are a vegatarian, then there'll be a lot of milking go on and you'll need people to create all that "cheese."

Now come on.. I think things need to change, "einhander" thinks things needed to change 'yesteryear' and "Liza" thinks things need to change as well. "What can we do to get the word out?" That is what we really need to be asking ourselves. I've got better things to do that involve more selfish ulterior motives than this but I wrote the original article out of a selfless act. I care about people and I care about our future, that's why I wrote it. You say nuclear power causes cancer 'penelope'? I say, what doesn't? If they could actually prove that gasoline fumes and Oil plants in California cause cancer in it's major cities, would that make people wake up to smell the roses? Who knows? What's worse, Oil or Nuclear power? Besides, the other options which have already been discussed are, solar, wind, fusion and hydro power. Where does that leave us? We need to do things to change TODAY but we need to do what is realistic as well. If the top five percent of America's population donated half of the 59% of the wealth they bring in to start solving our problems, could we not solve those problems in less than a year from now? Even then, they'd still be far richer than the 55% of Americans who sit as a middle class bringing in only 15% of the nations wealth. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE DOES IT?

These rich people are disgustingly SELFISH bastards, that's all there is to it. There is no way around that fact. No, I'm not suggesting we should form a "Fight Club" but we do need to start taking stands to hit them where it hurts, their pocketbooks. Not just for the good of our own futures but also for the good of their's even if they don't agree. As Kathy Bates said in the movie "Primary Colors" "Yes, I will destroy this village to save it." If we destroy the village now before it gets any bigger than it already is, we may be able to recreate it to be more inclusive of more people in the world than it currently is. And yes, we are the majority and we DO have the powers to do just that. And please, don't take the destroying part literally, OK. You know what I mean...

As far as Bush and people of his nature are concerned, I'm not saying we need to kill him, I'm merely suggesting that him and other people of his nature either change their natures or build a rocket ship for themselves and move to Mars, that's all I'm saying. We have no need for them, it's that simple... Bush is a quitter and the only thing he hasn't quit yet is the detroying of our economy through mismanagement of funding, cutting of taxes to the rich and just plain outright stupidity when it comes to the overall planning of this countries future...

First of all, anyone who has actually read through my original article and all of this needs to pick something that will not only help them but also help our environment and their own pocketbook. Secondly, anyone who reads this needs to email this link and/or this entire string of messages to as many people as possible and/or copy and paste the most important parts of it into other blogs... If this monster keeps growing, believe me, it'll begin to choke the very pocket books of the very people who have provided us with this phenomonal ability to communicate with each other this way among all the rich bastards who have done absolutely nothing to help out with these problems we are all having. Again, let's play our parts...

First of all, government price caps, the primary method the government COULD help us with this price increase, is a notion for socialists and little children. Tapping the strategic oil reserve is inviting another real disaster to come along and run us dry... which I must admit from a fatalistic perspective I'd love to see Georgie have to try and handle right now.

Alternative energy will continue to be a noble and honorable (however impossible) consideration until the cost of oil becomes so prohibitive that they are finally cost-effective. This is the only method that these will ever reach the American energy market in a significant way. Major technological advances to lower the cost of green energy will take flight once those sources become implemented- it's unlikely to happen before that. Never mind that logically we should get out of the oil business before the supply runs out- economically I can't imagine that happening. What I'm truly afraid of is coal-to-oil conversion becoming prominent- we need to get out of the fossil fuel game altogether. But I doubt it will happen for another century or so. 'Cause of money.

Oh, and 6 Jew bankers control the world's money supply.

And that number 6 as we all know is a creepy number, isn't it? The number 6, especially when applied in combination three times, 666 means the end or beginning of hell as we all know it. Well, read the book, "Your Call is Important to us" subtitled, "the truth about Bullshit" by Laura Penny and this will give you a real good idea of the hell we all live in...

Anyway, back on topic. Your idea mr. 'wallabysnot' regarding what the government can and cannot do to help us can be looked at from two different perspectives. I prefer the music, "Rage Against the Machine," for instance... The first perspective which you have already addressed is that the government shouldn't tap the strategic Oil reserve. Well, first of all, they already have but that's a whole other story. First, I have to say, I do agree with everything you have said thus far... It's a realistic perspective on things... Here's the problem. Too many people are agreeing with YOU...

Now, here's the second perspective, the one that I most favor, the unrealistic perspective. The government not only should do something to help us the government HAS to do something to help us, after all, that is their fucking job, isn't it? If they don't do their job, what exactly are they there for? Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they should let the Oil reserves run dry, I'm saying they should continue pushing some of it at us among also doing a gazillion other things that they AREN'T doing already. That's what I'm saying... Here's a short list of the kinds of things the U.S. government SHOULD be doing that they AREN'T doing and with republicans in the office may NEVER do:

Government Health Care like the one Canada has for instance. Canada has been thought to not even be a real country, why should they have Health Care for all it's citizens and the U.S. the most powerful nation in the world be the only one in power not to? It doesn't make sense, does it?

More regulations of Corporations that doesn't treat Corporations as if they were virtual people while allowing those virtual people to get away with things that real people would never dream of doing... Think about this for a moment... If you really had to take a shit, would you go to your neighbors front yard and take a shit on their sidewalk right in front of them while they sit on their porch watching you do it? Virtual people do it as a common business practice and they don't even pick up the shit before they move on to the next yard and take another shit...

More regulations on pharmaceutical companies and the insurance industry keeping them from continuing to succeed in privatising public issues, like access to health care and turning them into very valuable cash cows.

More regulations on Big Box companies like Wal-Mart who continue to move into our neighborhoods bankrupting all other businesses while promising their customers cash savings only to end up hiring them so those customers can afford to continue purchasing their products because they were laid off from the job they previously had at the company they previously worked at before Wal-Mart moved into their neighborhoods... Ya know why Wal-Mart is so competitive to begin with? Because they have so much of their product produced by slave labor in countries like Vietnam, that's why... We've got a brilliant employment future ahead of us guys, and you can blame companies like Wal-Mart, not me... I'm a real person, not a virtual one...

How does all this relate to Big Gasoline??? Come on now, the higher the Gas prices, the higher everything else is, that's how it relates... Shipping costs,,,production costs,,,continuing to fill the bottom line of the CEOs pocketbooks,,,etc. The list goes on and on and on... Christmas shopping at Wal-Mart is not going to be too fun this year, is it?

Here's some more fact for you... We are real people and we are the majority, not the minority of people and WE are PISSED! Right? How do you think those politicians, CEOs and bureacrats would feel if this year we sold our four wheel vehicles, bought two or three wheel vehicles and made our families and friends hand made christmas cards and put $20 bills in each of them??? You don't think that would hurt their feelings? I've got news for you, as already mentioned by 'wallabysnot' money IS everything and if they don't get their piece of the pie this year, they'll have to sell their mansions, yachts and hummers just to stay ahead of the game just like each and every one of us and don't think on that for one second... It's time to strike back where it really hurts... If enough of the middle class and below get so sick of their bullshit that they follow through with even one of these ideas this year, you're going to be surprised by what can be accomplished... And all we have to do is get the word out, it's that simple...

Here's a little tid-bit from the book I just finished reading, "the truth about BULLSHIT."

"In a chilling October 2004 New York Times Magazine article, Ron Suskind detailed Bush's distaste for debate, and reliance on instinct and religion to the detriment of evidence or fact. One of Bush's aides mocked Suskind's attachment to quaint notions like facts and evidence, and the writer's allegiance to "the reality-based community":"That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality--judiciously, as you will--we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." "In your face, you fact-loving pussies! Have fun studying us, losers while we remake the world in our image and then remake it again. this attitude gives me the heebie-jeebies, and I am not alone. The phrase, "reality-based community" has migrated to the blogsphere where progressive bloggers declare themselves proud members. The declaration that the empire is creating its own reality, and that the rest of us can just take notes, is not just bullshit but meta-bullshit, bullshit about bullshitting. the disdain for the reality-based community is merely the latest manifestation of a long and successful campaign of right-wing reality creation, of bullshitting about their own bullshit. For example, Bush and his ilk have done an excellent job of redefining certain words, like elitest, conservative, and liberal. Elite used to mean somebody with lots of wealth and power, like, say, Dick Cheney. Now elite means somebody who reads books and indulges in hated nuance, like that ol' flip-flopper John Kerry. Bush and the gang are not conservatives in the traditional, Burkean sense of having respect for established authority and tradition. they may be social conservatives, but more than anything else they are free-market radicals, who dismantle established programs rather than conserving them. Some are bloody anarchists. Talk to the kid at the protest rally with all the anarchy symbols on his jacket, and you will probably discover that he wants more government, like fairer trade regulations. Grover Norquist wants to drown government in a tub."

Now, are you starting to see where I am going with all this... Pick something you'd like to do, do it, stick with it and pass it on to as many people as possible and it WILL work, I'm not kidding here. Sure parts of all this are hilarious but let's face it, as a whole, this issue is pretty serious so lets take care of it...

You poor sad american ,dont you know there are fish in the sea?
Thr rest of the world doesnt live on hamburgers.English people eat fish and chips ,
Just fish,before Raleigh.


Yes,I think you should keep a boat handy.
Just think want those folks in New Orleans could have done if they had canoes in their rooms, like Chandler and Joey.

In fact I think I ll go watch Waterworld because this is so boring.
Too many words.

want a good laugh? go to www.google.com then type in the words "miserable failure" and see what is at the tope of the list! It says it all!

it's a picture of john kerry.. i don't get it.... but he is scary looking....

I do admit 'penelope' the thought about fish did slip my mind when I was using my psychic abilities to see into our future on the road we are currently traveling down only to find people wearing Solar Radiation Protective Suits on their yachts to avoid being burned by the sun, drowning and not having enough oxygen to breath. Yes, I've seen the movie waterworld and honestly, you've got to be some kind of jack ass to truly believe you can live for the rest of your life on a yacht, even if you are born with flippers for feet... No, 'hans,' I'm certain no one noticed you not posting, I'm certain instead people have noticed what people have been posting.

Fish are good and they are good for you but nothing compares to a nice juicy T-bone every now and again. As far as bert is concerned, him and erny need to find their own little harmonious playground somewhere with big bird. And when it comes to living life generally speaking, I think I'd rather shoot myself in the nuts and then in the head before continuing life on a yacht, on an endless sea with nothing but fish that I can either eat or that can eat me through my Solar Radiation Protective Suit of which I would also have to figure out where to get the oxygen to breath and how to eat all those wonderful fish that probably die the second they hit the surface from all the solar radiation we have to look forward to on this road. Bad, idea, 'penelope.' Yes, having a canoe in New Orleans is definitely a good idea though, I do agree with you from that standpoint.

And no, I'm not sad. The only thing that makes me sad this week however is the fact that I just spent $415 dollars taking my shih tzu, "Sammy" to the veteranary ER this weekend and ended up having to put him to sleep the next day because of kidney failure and the fact that he was only five years old, in human years... Well, at least he's in a better place than the one we have to look forward to on the road we're traveling on...

Lastly, if you like the idea of shoving things up your ass 'hans,' I suggest you start with your mouth... That way you might be able to suck your dick through your ass to administer the sperm to the mailbox with one wheel which will be powered by that sperm. Before doing this though, I do suggest being checked up by a doctor to determine whether or not that sperm is actually fertile enough to do its job. On the way from the doctors office considering all goes well, you should then stop by Wal-Mart and pick yourself up some tampons which you can shove directly into your pee-hole which will be sucked up into your asshole to make certain that it stays where it's supposed to stay to keep your mailbox running properly up your ass... Don't take offense 'hans,' you walked right into that one... Now it's time to put your mouth where your ass is...

Is it that some of you who are responding are on such a constant high of laughter and fun that you just aren't willing to go along with any of these ideas or you really don't think getting the word out to enough people will work?? These responses are funny, don't get me wrong, but in 30 years from now, on our current path, the laughter is going to come to a screeching halt when the fat lady sings... People need to do something and people need to do something now rather than later, it's that simple... There's nothing wrong with most of these ideas, in fact, most of them are not only realistic but necessary evils. Buy less gas, Don't shop at Walmart, and don't buy gifts from anyone not running a ma and pa shop this year, it's that simple.

Ha, ha ha, what kind of funny joke are you going to write now... "Liza" is taking it seriously, I'm taking it seriously, "einhander" is taking it seriously, "bertrand" took it somewhat seriously at first and so did 'hans' at first, now it seems to be turning into some kind of a joke. If we are laughing and getting the word out, that's fine with me, I've got no qualms with that... I've got qualms with laughing and doing absolutely nothing... I myself have emailed this stuff to everyone I know and have posted these ideas on three blogs so far, including this one. Are we doing anything or are we just laughing. If it's really that funny, I guess I'll have to find another blog to go to... One that more people will see and take more seriously...

Take heart pc man....there are those of us that are taking this matter seriously. Most of us find that this is NO laughing matter. You are going to find the other kind of small minded people no matter where you go. For some reason it makes them feel big or better to belittle the rest of us, and unfortunately that is part of what is wrong with this world. They don't have enough heart to stick with the power of their convictions so they have to make fun of those that do. They are probably the ones that didn't even vote in the last presidential election, and it is that kind of empathy that is making things so hard to change. What they DON'T realize is that the power of word is a strong and wonderful thing indeed, and with enough of us sticking to the power of our convictions and really trying to do something about the situation, just maybe then the tide can start to change. Me, myself, I am always being told to come down off my "soapbox", but if I do that, then I won't get heard, and if I keep "preaching" so to speak, maybe, just maybe, enough people will hear, and maybe, just maybe the right people will hear, and slowly then I can feel like I am making a difference! We have to keep going, because you tell two people, then they tell two people, and so on and so on!!! Nothing gets my blood boiling more than when challanged by ignorant minded people that spout their mindless dribble, trying to sound so high and mighty, and trying to sound so right, not realizing that all they are doing is just really showing off how truly ignorant and ostrich like they are....so hang tough, and hang together and we can get the word out there!!!

I found the following article quite funny. It seems that some people are upset about what shows up when they type in the words "miserable failure". Sniff, sniff....I knew when I voted for the other guy in the past two presidential elections that Bush was a joke, but he bought his way into office the first time around, and he had enough people fooled the second time around that he snuck back in...I really hate to tell certain people, "I told you so".... but I did!!!

"Google says it won't manually manipulate its search results, even when pranksters push unwarranted links to the top of the results list with so-called "googlebombing" tactics.
The most recent embarrassment for Google? Type "failure" into the Google search field. The number one result: President George W. Bush's official bio hosted by the White House Web site. "We've received some complaints recently from users who assume that this reflects a political bias on our part," wrote Marissa Mayer, Google's director of consumer products on the company's blog. "In this case, a number of webmasters use the phrases [failure] and [miserable failure] to describe and link to President Bush's website, thus pushing it to the top of searches for those phrases. We don't condone the practice of googlebombing, or any other action that seeks to affect the integrity of our search results, but we're also reluctant to alter our results by hand in order to prevent such items from showing up."

Actually, googlebombing Bush is nothing new. In late 2003, for instance, 30 or so sites with the phrase "miserable failure" linked to the same bio page; earlier that year, another googlebomb led searches for the phrase "weapons of mass destruction" to a joke page that read "The weapons you are looking for are currently unavailable. The country might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your weapons inspector mandate."

"Pranks like this may be distracting to some, but they don't affect the overall quality of our search service," said Google's Mayer.

Google's not the only search service to be hit. Searches on Yahoo and Ask Jeeves using the words "miserable failure" return the same Bush bio in the first spot, while "failure" typed into MSN's search puts the bio as the number two result. "

Thank you 'liza.' At least if I can reach one or two people and you can reach one or two people and so on and so forth, then we may be getting somewhere. You're absolutely correct... I get tired of hearing that high and mighty talk from people who sit right where I am in that 55% of the populations income bracket, it just makes me sick... It's like some of them would sooner vote republican for the off chance of eventually becoming part of the 'elite' 5% income bracket, but how are they ever going to get there? It's impossible with the current caste system that is set up. It takes money to make money... Anyway, I checked out your googlebombing reference and sure enough, there was Bush's Bio right on the top of the search... I've recently been checking some of the latest political jokes regarding Bush and the Bush family and here's one of the funniest things I've come accross so far. Maybe you've seen this, maybe not, I just thought it was pretty funny and pretty descriptive of the way Bush works in the Oval Office. Take a look...

Hu's on First?


(We take you now to the oval office)

George: Condi, nice to see ya, what's happening?

Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.

George: Great. Lay it on me.

Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.

George: That's what I want to know.

Condi: That's what I'm telling you.

George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?

Condi: Yes.

George: I mean the fellow's name.

Condi: Hu.

George: The guy in China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The new leader of China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The Chinaman!

Condi: Hu is leading China.

George: Now whaddya' asking me for?

Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.

George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?

Condi: That's the man's name.

George: That's who's name?

Condi: Yes.

George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader
of China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle East.

Condi: That's correct.

George: Then who is in China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir is in China?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Then who is?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of
China. Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.

Condi: Kofi?

George: No, thanks.

Condi: You want Kofi?

George: No.

Condi: You don't want Kofi.

George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk.
And then get me the U.N.

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.

Condi: Kofi?

George: Milk! Will you please make the call?

Condi: And call who?

George: Who is the guy at the U.N?

Condi: Hu is the guy in China.

George: Will you stay out of China?!

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the
U.N.

Condi: Kofi.

George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.

(Condi picks up the phone.)

Condi: Rice, here.

George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we
should send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get Chinese food in the Middle East?

I did the googlebombing and the miserable failure one brought up Michael Moore's page as #2 beaneath Bush's bio. I thought it was a funny attempt...

First of all, do me a favor and stop putting words into my mouth, ok? And I'll leave when I'm damn good and ready to leave and not a minute sooner... I already said for the fourth time now if you'd just read some of what I've written, electrical scooters and mopads especially in L.A. appear to be a stupid idea... What, I'm lazy now just because I don't sit in the 5% of the income bracket of people who tell me and everyone else under them what to do? Get a life 'einhander' I figured you'd be less disrespectful than that... Maybe you need to stick a mail box up your ass too but don't take 'hans's' advice on how it's supposed to be done cause obviously he's experiencing some PMS... I'd sooner kill myself then have someone refer to me as an evangelist christian 'hans' is that what you were going for? If anyone here needs to get themselves a life, it's you... Do you really think if you're the only one who has solar panels on your roof, and no one else decides to do the same thing that that is going to make a bit of difference in 20-30 years from now...?

Instead of tooting your own horn about how special you are for having done so, why not provide some instruction on how other people might do the same thing...? I'm not saying any of us here are stupid, I'm merely suggesting the power of the 'word of mouth' philosphy which you seem to be having a hard time with... Now take your mailbox out of your ass and listen for a change and don't pretend to know anything about me cause the only thing you know for certain is that my name is not George W. Bush and I am obviously not an evangelist christian conservative republican!!!

Tell me, what exactly is wrong with what I am doing right now? Provide some specific examples as to how this country or for that matter this world is going to get worse, not better, if people follow along with any of the ideas I have proposed here! And if you're going to tell me I don't own a hybrid car, first of all, make sure it's actually the truth and secondly, spell the word 'NOT' with the letters, "N," "O," and "T" instead of "W." However, you are right in your assumption, I'm not part of the top 25% income bracket let alone the top 5% income bracket so this is the reason I can't obviously afford one. I am strongly considering buying myself a three wheel motorcycle when Winter hits because they will probably cost less during the Winter season and will most definitely not be shopping at Walmart for christmas this year... Woh, there's that word "christmas" again, as an american that must make me an evangelical christian or a republican or something else that is conservative. Yeah, I have gay friends and family as well, but I myself would rather get fucked by any one of my gay friends than Bush, why is that so hard for you to understand?

Watch the movie: "Margeret Cho, Revolution" and then maybe you will begin to understand what I am trying to accomplish here. Here's a quote from Margeret to the best of my memory, "I'm not about to stop giving 'too much information' because if I do it will be like I was never here. Maybe if I keep giving 'too much information' and I get a group of other liberals around me giving 'too much information' then that information will begin to create an understanding and that understanding will begin to create change and in that change, we may start a revolution." Again, that's just how I remembered it, I don't have the DVD and I didn't hit the rewind button until I got it right, so don't sue me... And no, I am absolutely NOT turning my nose up at people like bert for their achievements. I just feel that it's 'bertandomers' like you 'hans' who are making this website into more of a "sesame street" for adults, that's all... One more thing 'hans,' you put the mailbox up your own ass, not me...

Whoa! Dude. Read your writings and have linked this node to my blog as a result but we should all remember that we are electronic friends here (Gary Numan I finally understand after 26 years).

All of you have something very worthwhile to say (Get off the fence you limey scumbag...) and I enjoy hearing it... The people to argue against are not here: they're watching you argue and are laughing whilst sipping finest champagne and eating sturgeon birthings.

By the way. Love the fact that you've quoted Margaret Cho. She played Brisbane's Tivoli Theatre this year and she was awesome...

Love love love my friends... and chocolate - Fuck - its cheaper than petrol

I totally agree!!!

Bush the Post Turtle

A 70-year-old Texas Rancher got his hand caught in a gate while working cattle. He wrapped the hand in his bandana and drove his pickup to the doctor. While suturing the laceration, the doctor asked the old man about George W. Bush being in the White House.

The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Bush is a 'Post Turtle.'"

Not knowing what the old man meant, the doctor asked what a Post Turtle was.

The old man looked at him and drawled, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a Post Turtle."

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain:

"You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he can't get anything done while he's up there, and you just want to help the poor dumb bastard get down."

Yawn. I personally didn't bother reading any post over say 9 lines long. Now, here's a thought... lets assume that due to some enviornmental damage we has humans have caused, we all start dying 2 years earlier on average. Now, would it be a fair assumption that during our lives we maybe spent a cumulative 2 years bitching, moaning, preaching, and protesting these issues?

On another note, I find it funny that "mr. pc man" puts everyone's names in "quotes" when he types. I also still don't give a shit about this topic, really. And my comment about affording gas by working at McDonalds was only an illustration that the lowest job in the US (working at McDonalds) can afford gas if its performed minimally. Sorry to the daft persons that were unable to grasp that abstract concept. I liked how that "lisa" person was like "you can afford insurance or food or ... blah blah blah"... yeah, no shit... maybe you shouldn't be working at McDonalds.... oh wait... liberals here... maybe we "well off" people that did things like get good jobs should give our money to people that are not "well off" and have to work at McDonalds because the path they took in life like wasn't a choice or anything.

I'm stupid, and I'm on this website. Oh wait, is that some of my poo?













I'll be back later.

Specifically to RCL:

You stupid stupid idiot!!! Are you claiming to be part of the 5% 'elite' income bracket in this country who refuses to help any of the people you tell what to do on a daily basis? Is that what you are doing here? Get off your high horse and help someone before you end up burning in a hell that you are only helping to create for all of our futures, you dumbo, you clown you! And I don't need to put your name in quotes cause you know who you are!

In order to choose more of a correct career path for yourself for instance, the first thing you have to determine without any degree of doubt is what in fact you are not only interested in doing for a living but what in fact you are actually good at doing as well, you jackass. That can take years and years of education and job experiences that most poor and even 'middle class' people are not fortunate enough to get their dirty poor little hands into you KKK member you! In other words, people who are too busy working two part-time jobs just to pay their bills are too busy to find the proper career path for themselves in the process of taking care of themselves and their families by putting a roof over their heads and food on their tables... The only real place any person chooses the path that they will take in this lifetime is in the after life before they get here, you supreme baffoon.

Take your head out of your ass and insert a brain, you used up condom, tampon, solar powered dipshit!! I'm not even going to pretend to be a friend with an electronic idiot with your capacity for thinking if all you care about is yourself and don't realize that a lot of the choices people who work 60 hours a week on a minimum wage income have already been made for them by people who obviously have more power to make those choices than they do...

What you need to do is take a tour in Ethiopia and tell them that if their hungry, they should drive to mcdonalds and order themselves a happy meal! Before doing that though, buy them a vehicle to get there and then buy a mcdonalds in their area of residence that charges roughly a quarter of an american cent per every Bic Mac... Don't stumble on your way to a response if all you're going to do is continue arguing with me and others who agree with me on these issues because we are not amateurs at what we do... Most of us have worked at either a mcdonalds, a security agency, a clothing store, a shoe store or some other restaurant or retail chain on our ways to getting where we are in life, but that doesn't mean we shoot down anyone who still happens to be working there in an attempt to continue living, you rubber harpoon... You magnanimous imbecil trading stickers for postage stamps!

You know, this whole time I thought your name said mr. pac man, but now I realize it just says mr. pc man. That's not nearly as cool. When einhander said you were laz, he was referring to this guy that we went to high school with, he wasn't actually calling you lazy.

All right, you don't like the fact that 5% of the people in American have 59% of the wealth? There's a fairly simple solution to this and it doesn't involve not shopping at Walmart or driving mopeds or any of that. It's quite simple:

Lobby the government to increase estate taxes and vote accordingly. Estate taxes are the taxes people pay when they inherit money. This makes more sense to me than anything you've mentioned so far and it's suprisingly more realistic than any of it.

Here's how it works, DJ Bob's family has 10 gajillion dollars. DJ Bob's family has had gajillions of dollars since the dawn of time/America and they use those gajillions of dollars to make more gajillions of dollars. If we set the estate tax at say, 90%, then when DJ Bob dies, the government gets 9 gajillion and DJ Bob Jr. only gets 1 gajillion. This 9 gajillion gets redistributed back into America.

I took this from Philip Greenspun:
"A young man asked an old rich man how he made his money. The old guy fingered his worsted wool vest and said, "Well, son, it was 1932. The depth of the Great Depression. I was down to my last nickel. I invested that nickel in an apple. I spent the entire day polishing the apple and, at the end of the day, I sold the apple for ten cents. The next morning, I invested those ten cents in two apples. I spent the entire day polishing them and sold them at 5 pm for 20 cents. I continued this system for a month, by the end of which I'd accumulated a fortune of $1.37. Then my wife's father died and left us two million dollars."

Inheritance is how the wealth in America stays skewed towards the numbers that you like to repeat. If you ask rcl about Donald Trump, he'll tell you he's a really smart businessman because he's taken money in book sales from rcl, but what you have to understand is that Donald Trump inherited millions from his father. This a pretty good starting point.

If you reduce inheritance, you normalize the playing field a bit. In my opinion, if you want to make money, it helps if you have a couple of these characteristics: Talent, intelligence, and money. Money really helps. If you're pissed at the top 5%, estate taxes are probably the only way you're going to get back at them.

Disclaimer: I'm pretty sure my father is part of the top 5%. Although, he's pretty damn liberal and came up with this whole "we should have higher estate taxes" idea, which I think means he's planning on spending all of his money rather than leaving it to me. My sister and I are planning a Menendez.

First of all, please allow me to apologize for the misunderstanding 'einhander.' If your comment about being 'laz' wasn't directed toward me then take that mailbox and stuff it up 'han's' ass instead, ok...? After all, he likes that kind of thing, remember? It gives him sensual pleasure and relieves his religious tension and labito...

Thank you bertrand, good commenting and you are probably right in that lobbying the government to increase estate taxes, if enough people grouped together to actually get that kind of thing accomplished, would do more than anything that has already been suggested on this blog so far. It's certainly more impressive to hear actual ideas to add to the ideas that have already been posted here rather than argument against the ideas that have been posted here, that's for certain.

How do you suggest we accomplish this? Me, I haven't a clue... I admit, other than being a registered voter who has voted for president in every presidential election since H.W. Bush, I'm not all that familiar with politics myself. However, I am familiar with how much more power the conservative base not only has but is also using against the very idea you have just proposed and that the conservative republicans who sit in the seats that are being lobbied to by these conservatives are only thinking in the interests of their pocketbooks. Which of course, brings us to the conclusion again of hitting them all where it hurts, their pocketbooks.

Buying less gas and not shopping at Walmart are indeed easier feats for the middle class and poor to come together in accomplishing, do you agree, disagree, if not what can we all do, write our congressman, move to Washington D.C.? What is your proposal?

I really do like the idea I just want to get a better feel for how realistic it is than I currently have. Should we quit both of are part time jobs paying minimum wage and put together a petition and take that petition to everyone in our neighborhoods and hope not to run into any gangmembers/gangbangers while walking the streets of those neighborhoods? Again, it's a really good idea, but should we buy ourselves a pistol before entering our own neighborhoods in an attempt to accomplish this feat?

I could probably figure out how to change my username to 'mr. pacman' if it would get you to agree more than you already do with some of the ideas already posted previously to your current brainstorm, but mr. pacman runs away from ghosts and right now, I've already had my fill of power pellets so now I'm running towards them and eating them instead of power pellots, know what I mean?

I don't know him, but I have to admit, from what you've said so far in your disclaimer, I like your father, he sounds like a good man... If he's in the top 5% income bracket, I'm sure you and your sister will have plenty to live on when he passes away, not to worry... Again, I'm not pretending to know anything about you, your father, your sister or your relationships with one another, but a liberal who sits in the 5% income bracket seems pretty impressive to me right now, do you agree?

Uh? my scarves are tasteful ,not gaudy.
(sounds of weeping)
My rabbit was et last night.I was too drugged with piriton to get up and tug of war with the Fox.
May be I was lucky.
Is it better to be born lucky or rich ?
I think this may be pertinent to the above,eliptically.
(Normandy chateaux=hot tub =skin allergy=piriton=neglected rabbit =death.)

Mr. Ed just hit the deck and became Jackie Chan's punching bag... What a tired, tired time it is.

When I think of Pacman, I think of that movie 'Colors' where the gangsters call Sean Penn 'Pacman.'

Well, like I said RCL, if you don't believe in hell, then you need to take a tour in Ethiopia... I can structure an argument however I please and I certainly don't need instructions from you on how to make one... You pencil pushing, mcrib eating whiny little weeny! Ok, that's enough name calling for now from this end... I certainly appreciate the fact that as you've stated RCL, you've donated time, money and energy as I have in helping people who are in immediate need... So, if that's the case, if that's a conviction that you have for yourself, then why argue against that conviction and against other people who have similar convictions...

To me, that doesn't make much sense... That's why, according to me as well as other readers of all this, you need to get off the fence, take your head out of your ass and stop being a complete hypocrite... And the proper way to spell 'amateur' is just that, 'amateur' not 'amature.' If you are going to use words I have already used against me then make sure you know their proper meaning and spelling. No, this isn't a grammar contest... Nor do we care about your dining preferences or for that matter how many mcribs you decide to eat in one week when they come back into style again. Me, I prefer the chicken cordon bleu myself, but that's just me, no one here cares, do they? We've got some awesome ideas here and it's time to continue getting the word out and continue adding to those ideas... When it comes to this argument and its victor, right now, I'm jackie chan, you're mr. ed, and I and everyone else here are jumping up and down on top of you RCL, so either go eat another mcrib, or change your attitude to one that is more befitting and more inclusive of more people... Stop trading stickers for postage stamps cause no one is trading with you right now...

Don't split hairs hans. If any of these ideas work and enough people get involved to make them work then we'll have ourselves what's called a future, it's that simple.

First of all rcl, if you are going to insult the "blah, blah, blah" that I have to say on here, at least get my name right! It is not "Lisa" but "Liza". And who cares, if Mr. pc man puts names in " "....I know I don't care, why the heck should you. You don't agree with some of us on here, that is fine, that is your god given right under the constitution, just like it is OUR right under the same constitution to be able to voice our opinions and our thoughts on solutions, and to speak out when we think an injustice has been done. Where would we be today, had there been no Revolutionary War, you remember your history don't you. That is where people striving for a better life, got tired of being dictated too, and wanted the freedom to practice free speech, freedom of religion and all the other freedoms drafted and written in the original Constitution. It started with a group of people that spread the word and organized and we fought for what we believed in and overcame British rule... Secondly, and I quote: "oh wait... liberals here... maybe we "well off" people that did things like get good jobs should give our money to people that are not "well off" and have to work at McDonalds because the path they took in life like wasn't a choice or anything." How insulting, but that is all you know after all. Sometimes, life deals people cards where choices are taken from them. Women who have left abusive husbands, with no skills other than being mother and housewife, trying to start over, take work where they can, and there is no shame in that. Kids that have had to leave school, stop their education when fathers die, and they need to help support their families. Sometimes the path people take are determined for people and they make the best of what they can, and don't ask for anything from "well off" people like you, they have to much dignity and respect for themselves. I am working with a group of kids, wonderful kids, some of them working two, three jobs plus they are putting themselves through school at the same time, they are not asking for help from "well off" people either and they will have the satisfaction of knowing they have reached their goals on their own and they will have all of the right in the world to be so very proud of themselves....I happen to be someone who had choices made for her by life. I am a someone who left an abusive situation after many years, had to drop out of school where I was trying to get a degree, lost everything I owned and am struggling to start my life over. I have a job where I am making over minimum wage, but it is a struggle, with ever soaring prices everywhere, because when gas prices soar, it causes a domino effect and everything else soars. And I get frustrated because I work hard for what I do make, I don't splurge on fancy stuff, just luxuries like food, gas, lights, a roof over my head. I take good care of myself, cause getting sick would just be something I can't afford. And even though you belittled that statement among many, it frustrates me, because just like countless of millions of other people, there is NO medical insurance available to us. So I come onto sites like this and I vent my frustration, and mention possible ideas of ways to help. So when people like you come on here, and belittle us, and put us down, and insult us, that just plain makes me furious. Does it make you feel so much better than us, so much bigger to put us down, to telll us that we are the stupid ones? When exactly was the last time you had an idea that would help anybody, not just yourself? It is people like you, that bury your head in the sand that scream the loudest at people like us, that are just trying to figure out how to make things better not just for ourselves, but everyone. So you donate money to charity, so you volunteer and work with sick children, you inherited $0.00. Bully for you, rcl, I am so totally impressed (not!). I wish I had the time and the money to do the same, but I don't, maybe someday I will, but I won't go around bragging about it either. You know what they say, "the road to heaven/hell is paved with good intentions." Oh wait, you don't believe in hell, so you must not believe in heaven either, and hey, I figured it out. That seems to be your problem, you believe in nothing but yourself, and in the end that is all you are going to have, is yourself in your miserable "well off" life. I am proud of my life, what I have, I earned all on my own, recieved nothing nor asked for anything from anyone "well off". I am proud of my opinions and my hopes that things will change and that in some small way, I may help in that, it is so much better than beating my chest and putting others down for their attempts. I am proud of being in the company of mr. pc man and the others who are on here to be constructive, not destructive....We will NOT go away, we will stand firm in our beliefs and our right to voice them, despite the efforts of lsmall minded people like you!

By the way, rcl, after reading my last writing, lets make sure to zero in on the typo I made in the last sentence, or any others. That seems to be your style, to cover up your own ineptitude!

Thank you and way to go 'liza!' Way to contribute to the slaughter and hanging of RCL.. However, if he wishes to resurrect himself and provide any actual ideas to add to these solutions, I'm fine with that... As for 'hans,' if he wishes to stop putting things up his ass and start sharing any ideas that may come into his head instead that may actually help our cause as well, then I'm fine with that also...

As far as grammar is concerned 'liza,' there's no need for you to go defending yours to RCL cause as I mentioned, RCL doesn't even know how to spell the word, "Amateur" properly. Heck, when I noticed the error, I even looked it up in the dictionary just because I couldn't believe I was actually right about what I was reading in his response to me on these issues... And when it comes to cheese, I feel as though Wisconsin has some of the best cheese on the planet but again, that's only an opinion of mine and no one cares about my opinion here, all most people care about are the facts... Even if we didn't kill RCL with all our comments comparing him to 'Bush's Post Turtle' me being jackie chan making a punching bag out of him, so on and so forth, we definitely ripped him a new ass, that's for certain...

RCL, if you truly don't understand what we are getting at here and really feel as though you are right and all of us here are so wrong, try passing some of your opinions on to some of the people who work at the mcdonalds you plan on going to, to purchase your McRib sandwhich and see how many seconds it takes them to quit their job, jump over the counter, pull out their nine milimeter hand guns and blow your ass to kingdom come... Who knows, it just may take a Mcdees worker to help knock some sense into you...

If you really are planning on responding further, stop putting me down, stop putting 'liza' down, stop putting all these realistic ideas down and start contributing to these ideas instead. Right now, you're a rubber harpoon at best, meaning all these words should be bouncing off of you... But if you wish to continue with your current argument, then don't plan on winning any javelin throwing contests here. We are better olympians than you will ever be on the road you have been traveling down on your current path if all you care about is yourself... Lastly, the main reason we won the revolutionary war between the 13 colonies here in America and the British, was because we attacked them in ways that they were not expecting us to attack them...

Most of our armies were not armies in the sense of current armies who are going to war for their current countries, they were militia... They sat in the trees in the forests, often like indians and waited to hear the drums of the British all marching in lines like sheep waiting for the slaugther and when they got close enough, the militia would ambush them before their leaders gave the command for the British armies to fire. In the movie, "The Patriot" for instance, Mel Gibson and two of his younger sons took out a battalion of British doing their marchy march down the road in an attempt to save Mel Gibsons eldest son... It worked of course, and news got back to the British of someone who was more like a ghost than an actual person..

Another movie I like is called, "Ghost Dog," I believe, I may or may not be wrong, but it stars Forest Whittaker as an assasin working for the mob. To keep a long story short, he finds the best way to approach the assasination of the head of his main target would be best to face them head on, instead of taking a snipers shot... Obviously they do a better job of explaining this in the movie but it all seems to fall in line with the philosphy of "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" and all that jazz...

Anyway, I'd really like to see some commenting and ideas on bertrands latest brainstorm involving the lobbying for higher estate taxes, which again does sound like an awfully good idea... I may do some research on this venture myself and when I have, I'll provide that as well... Take care now!

PostPostModernism:

Australian barbeque on the OuterBanks ,with Wisconsin Cheeseburgers.
Then , unify and march, like Brits ,on Washington and burn the Whitehouse,
To end global warming.

Cant wait to see Houston washed away,these women know their stuff!

Hey wallabysnot: All American here. I do agree with you on one point. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. If rcl wishes to come on here and intelligently offer some opinions he is more than welcomed to do so. I also agree that ANYONE who is hard working and has paid their dues deserves to enjoy what they have earned if they happen to be able to afford it. I will applaud anyone who is a hard worker, and would applaud that person even more if he did not think he was better than the rest of us because of it. He has to squat to, and may I use one of your words, poo just like the rest of us....His one writing on here was anything but intelligent, i.e. his rambling on about McRibs and cheese. My point to him was that I am a hard worker also, have always been from the age of 14. I have never asked for help from anyone, including the "well off". I worked hard for my home, and my many possessions that I lost when I chose to finally leave an abusive situation. Yes, my choice to leave, it was either that or end up dead, like so many countless other unfortunate women who do not find the strength to leave. My anger, sir/maam is very real on certain areas and not misplaced at all, mores the pity you think so. My anger comes from the fact, that no matter how hard I work, every extra little bit will be eaten away by the ever soaring prices, at the gas pumps, at the grocery stores, the energy company. There has got to be away for us, the normal working class people to help correct the situation. I am angry over the fact that for all the years I have worked so hard and contributed to the Social Security Plan through my tax dollars, by the time I retire, there probably won't be any Social Security because our brilliant politicians have squandered the funds. I would love to be able to set aside for a rainy day, but gee, there are those pesky ever rising prices again. So I come here looking for suggestions on how to make things better, to hopefully ensure our future, not too have my ideas "shit" on...look back through the writings, your friend took the first dump. When I am belittled or put down, or even bullied, I will fight back.

I *liked* eXistenZ and Videodrome is fucking awesome (except for the "we ran out of money" ending). David Lynch fits your description more in my opinion. My reactions to his films:

Eraserhead - What the fuck.
Blue Velvet - What the fuck.
Lost Highway - What the fuck. Chris and I actually turned to each other, said what the fuck, rewinded the last twenty minutes, played it, said what the fuck again and gave up.
Mulholland Drive - Lesbians!

okay double d you got your point across, to some people that think like you do....get your facts straight first of all. I did not throw the first flaming arrow. I came on here to voice my opinions, nothing more, nothing less....don't like what you read, I can't help that, but you are entitled to your opinion. I do not belong to greenpeace or any other organization. I am just trying to figure out how to help get gas prices down...and a few other issues bothering me. I was not the first to belittle or insult, but damn it all, when I get backed up against the wall by being belittled, and berated like rcl, wallabysnot, and now you, I will fight back. I never intended this to be a battle, just a place to post my opinions, knowing that not everyone is going to agree, but that is life. All I ask for is to be allowed to do that in peace without the insults. I am not calling for hangings or hoping the white house catches fires or anything harmful like that, I have never claimed to be an award winning author, just one person trying to express opinions on issues that concern quite a few of us. You know what they say, if you don't like what you see on tv, turn it off. I am not going anywhere, because nobody has the right to tell someone where they can or can't be. I do not know who mr. pc man is, just agree with his ideas....he does not know who I am, just because we have like ideas doesn't mean we ganged up together, but I guess someone like you wouldl think something like that. Mores the pity. You and rcl and wallabysnot, all remind me of our elected officials. They know we have problems, but when we write and complain and suggest, they ignore and belittle the american people by doing nothing adding to the frustration.

Liza ,
I suggest that you move .
From what you have written I reckon you would be a lot happier living in France .
The working class has a lot more respect and is valued .
You are totally fucked in the US and will never make it above a certain level of subsistance .
You sound a determind lady and will have no problem learning the language ,its very easy.
Your children ,if you have any ,will also be a lot better off .
Give it some thought .Its a big country.

I'm just merely pushing buttons. Figuratively and literally. Bertrandom is comprised of only a few people, and usually the content here is far from political. If you think that the beginning of the solution starts here or the synthesis of those thoughts can be catalyzed here, then cool. I just think this is the place where people just ramble and avoid taking themselves too seriously. Don't read too into what myself and the others are saying. I'm not trying to bring you down, or stop your crusade. Just don't liken me to our elected officials, that really hurts.

Ahh, and 'sesame street' for adults it is calls 'double d.' So, we who do take ourselves seriously are not allowed to be here? Well, you're right from one aspect, double dork, whoops, I mean 'd' if people like liza and myself can't eventually find those who wish to take us seriously, we may decide to migrate to a blogsphere with less of an 'abc's for losers' type of climate. You're absolutely right, I was Jackie Chan and I was beating the hell out of RCL, the dead Mr. Ed... That's the whole point, he died, and now all you're doing is merely attempting to defend the dead... Yeah, yeah, I admit, I went WAY overboard, but heh, I had fun doing it and I'm sure you all probably had fun reading it also, and in that, maybe some of these serious issues have begun to sink in just a bit... 'Penelope' we americans aren't moving anywhere! We are going to stay right where we are and fight things the way we see fit from the home front.

As for myself and liza, we never met, we never talked to each other in any way before this and in fact, if you read through some of all this, you'll even find I "appeared" to actually disagree with her for a very short stent of this conversation, of which we now totally agree on most things and what the HELL may I ask is wrong with that you DIM-BULBS!! I don't care how many years some of these people like RCL have been on here doing their 'sesame street' thing or whatever, if it's taken this long to get some serious action going then in that, I'm sure bertrand is very thankful. His site in affect will help contribute to the bettermeant of humanity because of it. And no, I'm not a member of greenpeace, redcross, or any other religious or secularly conservative or liberal holiday or republican or democratic party. I'm a member of the common sense party of research and knowledgability thank you very much. It just happens to work its way out that most liberals end up agreeing with me on every single one of these issues and I wonder why that is, could it be because I and they are all right? Could it be because they are based on FACTs which have been deriven from the 'reality-based' communities that are out there? Well, I do think so. Stop trying to beat a dead horse, concerning whether or not, me, liza or others who are like us are wrong, because we are not, we are right!

Yeah, yeah, I know, I went way overboard with the slaughters and the hangings and the pulling your head out of your ass and the inserting a brain in the head instead of your ass and the RCL being a solar powered dipshit and all that, but did it get your attention? Obviously, otherwise, you sirs wouldn't be overly beating your own dead horse!!! Now, I'm going to take a step back, and welcome anyone who wishes to contribute to the ideas that have been posted here, and I'm going to wish and pray to the mighty Gods of power, justice, peace and harmony that none of them try to argue against what is being done here. Don't become the dead horse! Do something a little more productive than that is all I am asking.

real funny bertrand, real funny... Still doesn't defeat the power of the word of mouth, but real funny indeed...

From here on out, I'm going to ignore anyone who happens to disagree with me. Arguing with dead assholes is not my purpose here. Remember that dead horse we were all talking about, well, that dead horse passed on a long time ago.

Now, here's a lesson for those who may disagree with those of us who believe in the idea of higher estate taxes. If higher estate taxes means Joe DJ Jr. for instance is going to get 1 gazillion dollars instead of 10 gazillion dollars when Joe DJ himself passes on, then 1 gazillion dollars is more than enough for any one person to survive on. For purposes of this excercise, say for instance that 1 gazillion dollars equates to approximately $1,000,000,000,000,000.00 In that, 1 gazillion dollars is more than enough for 1,000 people to live on = $1,000,000,000,000.00/person. In that, 1 gazillion dollars is enough for 1,000,000 people to live on = $1,000,000,000.00/person. Quite frankly, I and 9,999,999 other people could live on 1 gazillion dollars happily = $10,000,000.00/person.... In fact, I and 999,999,999 other people would be just as happy with = $1,000,000.00/person... We'd wonder where it came from... Beginning to understand the math here, I sure hope so. This is the lesson to be learned for those who disagree with higher estate taxes to the rich and famous 5% of this nations income bracket! Once I find an actual realistic way for us to accomplish this goal, I'll get back to you.

Here's some FAQ on estate taxes, just copy and paste into your browser and hit enter:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETFAQ.html

How to take action and what to prioritize on:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/index.html
the only problem here is that I don't just want to Preserve the estate tax, I'd like to do something to reform and raise it for the top 5% down to the top 25% of the highest income brackets, but I guess you have to take one step at a time.

Info. on estate tax reform:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/estate_tax_reform.html

It's pretty thorough, I'm still not certain how realistic it is, is all. I already signed up so we'll see how successful my efforts will be.

Just a sample of what you will find at the last website mentioned:

"The current wartime context also raises moral questions about the timeliness of abolishing the estate tax. A number of commentators and politicians have pointed out how unseemly it is for Congress to zealously protect every dime of Paris Hilton's inheritance while other families are holding bake sales to buy body armor for their children serving in Iraq. This grotesque inequality of sacrifice is not lost on some veterans groups. "During the Civil War, rich people could buy their way out of the draft," said Charlie Richardson, co-founder of Military Families Speak Out. "Now the wealthy don't have to pay anything to avoid military service - and they get big tax cuts on top."

anyone want to buy p3nis enlargement pills? maybe lower their monthly payments on their loans? i got some great links you can go to, just post your email address =P

Bad idea, just look at what happened to hans when he tried the p"9"nis enlargement pills... He looks something like dubya in this picture now:

hans's briefs

yeah, I said I'd ignore it, but it is funny.

Here's Bush's new fight song:

"If You're Happy and You Know It":

If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.



If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think someone has dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.



It's "pre-emptive non-aggression", bomb Iraq.
Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's good enough for me
'Cause it's all the proof I need to
Bomb Iraq.



If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
(And he tried to kill your dad),
Bomb Iraq.



If your corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.

For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.

Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

Penelope thank you for your offer of moving to a different country. Even though I have always had a strong desire to see other countries, I really have no desire to move there. I am an American and I love the country that I live in, I just am saddend by what is happening to what people used to think of as the greatest in the world. And it is happening because our elected officials care more about their own political and financial gain than caring about what happens to "we the people", the ones that put them into office. I told my friends during Bush's first election bid, put him into office and just see where this country is by the time he is done. Well, I guess when I am right, I'm right, but then what do they do they put him in for another term! Geez! Mr. pc man touched on another issue that has bothered me for years. We the hard working people in this country, striving for piece of the american dream every year pay more and more taxes. I remember the one year, my lowest earning year ever, due to an illness, and I ended up having to pay into because I didn't have enough taken out of my checks. Maybe this is a simplistic way to think, but, if the rules where changed so that the rich, i.e. trump, kennedy's, rockafellers to name a few, didn't have all the zillions of tax breaks that they do, and were honestly taxed for what they make and had to pay accordingly, and the rest of us were given a few of those tax breaks wouldn't that make more sense? They get the many, many tax breaks and when it is all said and done, it would probably be found that I pay more into the IRS than Trump does.

on another note of humerous gumption, I'd like to somewhat repeal a comment I made when I was upset before. Yeah yeah, I know, it has little to do with what I'm trying to accomplish here by the very first posting, but here it goes, cause again, I'm trying to be more inclusive of more people to these ideas and I don't want anyone who reads any of this to feel turned off by what they have read getting this far.

I have complete respect for all religions, including christianity and catholisism. Anyone who chooses these paths has indeed chosen one of several paths towards enlightenment with God. In fact, there's only one problem I have with some of its' practicioners, and that is the way that some of them try to enforce their beliefs on others when those beliefs are not formulated based on scientifically factual information. There has to be a steady balance, between the mind, the spirit, the body, the reality and the fantasy in all things. I myself am liken to what is more commonly becoming known as "new age" religion. If you are not familiar with this genre of religion, all you really need to know is that it really isn't a genre of religion, in that it is inclusive of all major religion, which is similar in it's origination from the Bahaii faith if you will, other than the Bahaii faith making it known they do not accept practicing gays... You can be a gay Bahaii, but you can't fuck a guy if you're a guy? Makes sense, doesn't it?

From everything I've read up on all religions, there's really only one rule they all have in common, and that one rule is the basis by which ALL rules, regulations, laws and standards are deriven. It's called the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is not, "do onto others before they do onto you" or "an eye for an eye" or "Strike down thine enemy before thine enemy striketh down you." It's simple, and you should all know it by now. "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you." If everyone followed that one simple rule, there'd be no need for government, laws, rules or for that matter, religions. Kinda like what John Lennon was gettin' at. We all have the creator in our hearts, whether we believe a creator actually exists or not. "energy can neither be created nor destroyed." that is scientific fact for any athiests who may be reading this.

Any way, all that was somewhat off topic, I say somewhat because we have indeed been talking about worldwide problems and worldwide solutions to those problems. It's all leading up to what I'm about to say next. Right now, I'm on the third book in a series of books called, the "Left Behind" series. It's a series that imagines in a fictional manner what may happen if the "Rapture" were to occur. I didn't really think I was going to get this far into it to be honest with you. But out of curiosity, I had to start reading the first book, which I might add, has a very puzzeling and dramatic conclusion even while it reals you in enough to want to read the next book in the series just to see what happens next.

The point is, if there is anything to be said for ANY similarities between what is going on in these books and what is going on in real life, which I might add is really far off, cause millions of people have not dissappeared leaving everything behind, from their earpieces to their pacemakers not including the dissappearing of their bodies; it's just this. Let's assume for sake of argument we've got seven years left to do what we can to make sure we've got an actual future to live in twenty or thirty years from now, and in that, if we only have seven years left, and your a smoker, than























"smoke 'em if you got 'em." ;-)

With respect to what you and I and everyone on here makes and pays in taxes 'liza,' oh yeah, each and every one of us individually pays more taxes than trump does, no doubt about that. Again, that's in comparison to our incomes and what we each pay individually to his income and what he pays individually. He in himself, is a "virtual person." And he's being run, by real people, who get away with doing things that other real people don't get away with, because they get to stand behind their "Golden Deity" the Trump family logo... Passing the buck is easy to do. All you have to do, is blame, ANYONE else. Hell, everyone else, if you want to. That's how the rich get richer, the poor keep getting poorer, and how the middle class struggles to make ends-meet living paycheck to paycheck on an often bi-weekly basis.

I still haven't tried the AM/PM rib sandwich product. In-N-Out sounds good for lunch today; I haven't eaten there for a while now. However, I'm playing some gig at some resturaunt in El Cajon tonight, and from what I have heard, they have good burgers, so perhaps a burger isn't an ideal lunch time solution for today (because I'm getting paid in food and beer for dinner).

Without even trying to offend anyone here, look at this spunk that RCL just left on my PC... is it funny in any way? Is it useful information to anyone reading this? Is it interesting? I think you'll find RCL, that if you took a poll, no one here gives a rats ass about your dining habits. Like on Southpark, if you take that quadrupal burger from In-N-Out and shove it up your ass, then maybe you'll be able to shit out of your mouth. Is that what you're going for here? At least people are laughing at what I'm saying.

You appear to be going for some kind of slap-stick humor of some sort but the problem is that the stick is slapping you upside the face so hard in repitition that your confused or something. Say something useful or don't say anything at all. Didn't your parents teach you better than this?

you know rcl i was debating chinese for lunch personally. we don't have any in-n-out's here on the east coast. Burger kings the real winner over here for that style. unless you want say quizno's or subway. but then you have to actually go inside the place. drive thru chinese would be a seriously bad ass idea. i'm heading to a concert tonight and tomorrow though so i think i'll probably be getting BK on my way to it.

They have a drive through Chinese place in my town. I've never tried it, nor dare to. Since the place has been shut down multiple times, I think there is no real reason to try and test my intestinal fortitude or general health for the fact of the matter. You know what's real good? The original Tommy's on downtonm LA. Man, that's a chili cheeseburger.

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=5746&sequence=1&from=0

I'm not going to say rich folks have it hard, but you guys should take a look at it. Report from the Congressional Budget Office. Nonpartisan, fairly reliable source. If you scroll down about halfway there are some tables. To summarize briefly, the top 1% richest people pay a 33% tax rate, while the average is 23%, and po'folks pay 7-14%. To avoid any ambiguity as to whether the wealthy manipulate their income to make it look like they pay a higher rate, the federal tax liability for the top 1% is around 20%. This means that a fifth of federal tax dollars comes from 1% of the people.

I think I'm going for a McRib at lunch today.

I seriously doubt any of us will pay anywhere near as much taxes as trump does. Even combined.

On a more serious note, I was driving around with my friend Adam and I said, "Holy shit, a Tommy's!" but for the life of me I couldn't convince him to go there. It boggled my mind. We ended up at Carl's Jr, where I had the Charbroiled BBQ Chicken sandwich, which I don't know if you guys know this but in the last couple years they increased the size of it by like 150%. It's probably the best thing you can get there. As far as chicken goes, I've had Roscoe's and Zankou chicken since I've been back. It's kind of a toss up which one I like better, probably Roscoe's, they're not relying on some garlic crack sauce, they just make a good product. Man, I think I'll have Tommy's for lunch.

tax loopholes, to the rich, tax write offs, to the rich, etc. etc. etc. Gee wizz, I'm not even hungry, but when I do get hungry today, I'll eat it with my mouth instead of stuffing it up my ass and shitting out of my mouth today, I can guarantee that much...

Regarding rich people and what they pay in taxes, if you took a look at the big picture, all I'm saying is relatively speaking, we pay off more of a percentage as poor and middle class than THEY do and it's not hard to figure out why. If someone makes, 10million dollars this year and pays 33% tax on that then deducts any charities they happened to make, a little business expense here a little writing off business expense there, and low and behold, what do you have. It's amazing, it's like Harry Houdini making the empire state building disappear right before your eyes.

Before they're done having their tax consultants write off any loopholes they can find and there are many and they are BIG loopholes, what do you know, not only don't they really end up paying anything, but what happens next, Bush gives it all back to them at the end of the year anyway, even though they didn't pay anything to begin with! That's where we get this current 7,600,000,000,000.00 deficit we are all sick of hearing about, and that doesn't even include the trade deficit for that matter.. If you're going to defend the rich here, you're going to find yourselves fighting an uphill battle as far as I'm concerned. Read any good books lately, like "the truth about Bullshit," for instance... It's a good read, you may enjoy it...

Whoops, I'm not even a tax lawyer, and so, hardly any of the crap on this website makes any sense to me. I do bet a good tax lawyer can use this website to pull a rabit out of any hat though!!:

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=5746&sequence=1&from=0

Could any of you seriously envy Donald Trump?

Seriously? Go back to whether its better to be Rich or Lucky?

I f you are rich ,you can never be rich enough,because there's always some Saudi Princess who has more than you.

If you are lucky ,then you are probably more beautiful than her....even if she is made of plastic.

This the defining truth in Bitch World,where taxis outrate taxes.

For anyone else not contributing to this, but reading this, check around on this website, I'd venture the reality is most people who appear to be arguing against me actually agree with me on most of these issues and are only making the arguments that they know no rich person would ever be able to win in an argument contest against me. Seems to me, we're all liberals here, we all hate Bush and we all recognize that we have problems that will eventually need to be solved one way or another. No, I'm still not hungry yet. But if you really care, I'll let you know what I had all week if you like. I'm guessing not.

Honestly, I don't envy Donald Trump at all. I mean, come on, would you look at that guys hair for crying out loud? Who cares if its' real, If I was him, I'd rather go bald, even that looks better... That man has NO HAIRLINE! It starts right about, just above his eyebrows for gosh sakes. Where is this mans forhead? I'd really like to know, did he have a surgeon remove his forhead and put it at the back of his neck or something, I just can't figure it out? And you know him, he probably does that on purpose just to get more publicity and attention... He is a money hound if I ever saw one indeed.

oh and you penelope, I'm guessing you would be better looking than paris hilton whether or not she's made of plastic. If one thing is for sure, Paris Hilton's brain is made of something nonbiodegradable.

pc man's hitting on penelope... this could get interesting...

I think my arguements are pretty sound. Higher income individuals not only pay a higher effective tax rate but also share a larger portion of the tax burden proportionally. I don't think that putting further taxes on wealthy individuals and reducing already low taxes on low income individuals is the correct method of promoting social equality. I think the money already being taken can be better spent on programs to teach job skills and fiscal responsibility.

Corporations are another matter. I think we should tax the hell out of them.

And there you go einhander, thank you very much for your contribution. Estate Taxes are just a fine example of how to tax the hell out of corporations. Remember, it was bertands original idea from his dad, all I did was the research and I'm thankful for the idea. There's an awful lot of information on those websites I posted just above so I'd urge each and every one of you to take a gander at that info.

Fact is, it may not be easy to get it done, but it's definitely easy to try and trying is better than nothing!!! Matter of fact, even if you can't write your own letter, they've got drafts that are already written and ready to go to either your senators or editors for example and all you have to do is put in your names and click send, it's really that simple. I'm going to be getting the lesson regarding estate taxes published in the local newspaper here where I hail from within the next week or so. So in that, people will see it, and my voice will be heard, whether they agree with me, or not. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

Read a book monoab and get off the computer, you're burning up. Relax now, take deep breaths, breath in, breath out, wax on, wax off daniel son.

Tax nobody or nothing but food.
Then the poor and weak will all die.
OR rise up and kill the rich to get some.
So, having a different order,for a bit.
people can watch it on reality TV .

Ill be safe on my yacht,free fishing.
fortunately rich and beautiful,with factor21.

Whoops, RCL played a big no no. This isn't a Deja Vu website butthead. If all you're going to talk about is what you eat all the time, most people are just going to skip right past what you are saying, even the ones who decide to talk 'bout what they ate, if they're smart.

Obviously I'm not trying to win any popularity contests here. But what you need to do, really, is watch southpark and every time you get the urge to talk about what you eat, just picture martha stewart shoving a turkey up her ass. Because more people would be interested in watching that. Uh oh, I've said too much again. Who cares?

Today, I had some cheeze tortelini with spagetti sauce:

Just a moment please:














Poo, Poo is coming out of my mouth, aeiuuuuuuuuiuiuiugh:



Ok, I'm back. Cartman bet his friends that if he shoved it up his ass, he'd shit it out his mouth. It worked. Scientists then declared it was even better for people to do it that way, because they'd essentially digest the food faster and in a sense, it wouldn't be so hard on the stomach on it's way back up out the mouth. So, sound like a good idea? personally, I can't taste anything that comes out of my ass, so why would I want to put food up it?

Whoops, I was wrong on the gross national debt. If you go to this website and scroll to the bottom, you'll find it not only continuely goes up but is worse then 7.6 trill:

http://dontblamemeivoted4kerry.com/index-ss7.html

Which One Has the Crisis ?!
+ $1,795,222,692,940
Social Security Trust Fund.
– $ 7,936,657,913,430
The Gross National Debt

Haven't done much writing, just reading right now....But I figure the more I read, the more I will learn. I am not very knowledgable in estate taxes and such, so I will just keep quiet on that subject and keep reading. If you don't know about a subject, best to keep quiet, but then there are those who waste space talking about food and such....Anyway, mr. pc man...thanks for the informative links, that way maybe I can be better informed to make an opinion....

Here's some common sense regarding most rich people and why they are rich. Usually, they own lots of businesses or even corporations, sit on several corporations board of directors with things called "Golden" Parachutes, etc., own lots of realestate or are involved in some kind of "insider trading" that only they are aware of and thus the goverment is not aware of and so on and so forth.

So then, while their income gets taxed at the end of the year, it doesn't really matter because they write all of it off, and more, through loop-holes that the republicans are only lobbying to make even larger than they already are, as well as business expense write offs and such. Not including anything they get, "under" the table. After all, what do you really think the word, "lobbying" means? It means, "Paying" people to vote the way you want them to vote. This is where the "virtual person" fucks the real one that works for the "virtual" one. If you want to be the fuckee instead of the fucker, then keep working your 8a-5p job for the man. On the other hand, if you want to become the fucker then become an entrepreneur and go into business for yourself, etc.

As you begin to expand your business, you may feel the need to hire some fuckees to come to work for you. Before you know it, if you don't go out of business the way so many small ma and pa shops do within the first one or two years of their lifetime, who knows, you may turn it all into a franchise like Mcdees? In that, maybe you'll get really lucky and turn it all into a corporation and sit on it's board of directors with a 51% share of the stocks making you owner of Burger University, if you will? Before you know it, you are a "virtual person," you get to do things you never realized were possible, like dump company waste into lakes, rivers and ponds just outside some "real" persons back yard, or Lobby to the republicans to lower restrictions on trading on company as well as income taxes, or lay off 10,000 fuckees and start building plants in Vietnam hiring people to do the job for 15 cents a day instead of $8.50/hour to cut back on manufacturing expenses, or even require your suppliers to move their manufacturing plants to China to reduce your expenses when buying the supplies you need from them in making the products that you make in your own manufacturing plants, like WAL-MART does for instance! Prologue to the book, "The Godfather." "Behind every GREAT fortune is a crime."

Now that's what I call a very profitable venture... ;-)

Yesterday I was reading the paper and came across an article that just struck me as wrong....it is off the issue of taxes and what not, so I started a new node, "whats wrong with this". If some of you would care to check it out, I would value your comments. Thanks.

This will be my last post on this "topic", and I'm sure the pc fag is gonna later claim that he "won" some sort of "argument" here that I was engaging in... but basically, this is pretty lame. Soapboxes do not facilitate discussion, rather they facilitate "I'm right and you've got a turkey in your ass". So, as lame as this is, I will not be reading or writing any more in this thread... just so ya'll know.

Boycott the soapboxers!

Cheers.

hey turkey ass, i'm out too =P

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I'm not even going to glorify those comments, hans and rcl. You know you have been nothing but hypocritical regarding the topics on this particular post, and hypoctics are not welcome in ANY room where there happens to be someone with enough guts, glory and honor within themselves to even bother to stand on the top of a soap box. You're right RCL, you did lose, you lost this argument, before you even started it and don't you forget it. ;-)

See, even Bush says Estate Taxes are the only way to hit the rich, besides all the previously mentioned ideas, if we accomplished this one feat, the rest of it would fall over like dominoes:

"The really rich people figure out how to dodge
taxes anyway." —George W. Bush explaining why high taxes on the rich
are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

Fuzzy about Numbers: When a reporter asked Bush what he thought about his first hundred days in office he replied "Has it been a year already?"

I'm gonna continue the food vein... boycotters come back! Passive Resistance!

Since I cut the fast food I've managed to lose the 20 extra pounds I've been carrying for a few years, so for the most part I avoid it like the plague- occasionally I'll go to Baja fresh or Wahoo's. And that's good. It's been a long time since I've been to Roscoe's. We should tripify it next time someone's up here in La-La Land. Zankou, maybe three months. Eating well feels damn good. Then again a burger does too.

I spent $48 on a tank today. Bargain.

"A lot of students around the country protested the war today. The National
Youth and Student Peace Coalition sponsored an anti-war organization called
'Books Not Bombs.' President Bush's response: 'Why do you want to drop books on
them?'"

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
...George W. Bush to Sam Donaldson

Laura Bush wanted George W. to try a taste of a new 1-calorie cola drink
she had had delivered to the White House. George was hesitant, but Laura
eventually convinced him. She opened the bottle and poured half into a glass
for her and half into the glass for the president. George stared at the two
glasses for a few minutes and then asked Laura: "Which one do you think has the
calorie in it?"

"They misunderestimated me." - Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
"I'm very gracious and humbled."
"I hope we get to the bottom of the answer. It's what I'm interested to know."


"I've got a record, a record that is conservative and a record that is
compassionated."

"They have miscalculated me as a leader."

"I also understand how tender the free enterprise system can be." —George W.
Bush, White House press conference, Washington, D.C., July 8, 2002
"He [Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi] said I want to make it very
clear to you exactly what I intend to do and he talked about non-performing
loans, the devaluation issue and regulatory reform and he placed equal emphasis
on all three." —George W. Bush, who had meant to say "the deflation issue"
rather than "the devaluation issue," and accidentally sent the Japanese Yen
tumbling, Tokyo, Feb. 18, 2002

IS THERE NO ONE ON THIS PLANET WHO IS AS DUMB AS GEORGE W. BUSH?

If you really don't understand Darth Bush, just ask, I'd be glad to explain it to you. I'm only saying this cause some I've shown it to didn't understand right off.

okay mr. pc man....please explain it to me, cause I am afraid I am one that doesn't understand that one (Darth Bush), The rest were great!

OK, here goes, ya see those logos that are located all over his body, those are what we like to call in the Nascar world, sponsers. You see, those are the people he is really working for, not us. Fox News Network, Budweiser, Instantpundit.com, etc.

And right now, I'm listening to a little, "Rage Against the Machine," and he says, "no more lies, no more lies, no more lies, no more lies, uuugh, take it back ya'll take it back ya'll," I think that's what we're trying to do here, is take back our country. ;-)

For those who don't understand the Gas sign it's:

LOL--Laughing Out Loud

OMG--Oh My God

And,

WTF--What The Fuck?

"If we don't take action now, we'll settle for nothing later, if we settle for nothing now, we'll settle for nothing later." More Rage for you...

If you look at it real close, who's name do you see on the ring to rule them all????

"No one, when he has lit a lamp, covers it with a container, or puts it under a bed; but puts it on a stand, that those who enter in may see the light."
~ Luke 8:16-17

OMG mr pc man, being a nascar fan, you think I would have picked up on that. Unfortunately it is way too true how Bush is working for the few and not for the american people as a whole. My total opinion of Bush really solidified when I heard him compare himself to God, and that totally appalled me. I may not be the most religious person, but I have had my teachings in the church and I do have my beliefs, and remember thinking he was going to burn in hell for that quote. Did any of you ever read the book, I know its a fiction book, by Stephen King, The Dead Zone. Well Bush reminds me of the politician that Johnny goes out to destroy for the good of the world.....

I mades it myself...

golly,...you need 'elp.

It's funny... why did pacman settle upon this site to lay down his ungodly rants? I think that maybe in the 6 years that I've been posting here, there's probably been two posts regarding politics. It's like walking into an ice cream parlor and asking if they have a size 12 in brown. It's not in context. Then when the guy behind the counter says, 'I don't know what you're tallking about, we don't carry shoes.' pacman responds, 'I can be here and ask for shoes as long as I want... I like penny loafers and I'm not afraid to show you pictures...' The whole time a little Brittish girl sits in the corner with her double vanilla scoop dreaming of the days when she could post poetry and delete her old posts in a nice and quiet environment.

{now you know why it can be good to delete posts.}


its the wobbly writing,wobbleysnot,
the other bit is VERY WELL DONE,boy!

I wonder how RCL got on with his geisha/cleaner interviews

double d name this document if you can. it gives us the right to post political or nonsense posts if we want....I thought that was the whole idea of this site, to be able to say whatever we wanted, post whatever we wanted without being belittled or put down, or deficated on! If wallabysnot can post such a filty and disgusting picture, what harm are a few political pictures?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Walabysnot, according to the rights given me by bertrand, I could very easily delete that disgusting picture, and all your comments, and double dorks comments from this post, and that way, this would be less of an ice cream store with a bathroom where you apparently refused to flush the toilet. but I won't because I think it does a good job of depicting things the way they really are at this point. You see Walabysnot, I'd rather be the toilet seat, then you, the shit in the toilet. Penelope is right. Golly, you need 'elp. Fluuuuuuuuuush..... ;-)

"oooooh oooooh won't you tell me again... Oooh oooh can you feel it.... Oooh oohh, won't you tell me again, tonight. tonight. How many words have I got to say. And how many times will it be this way. With your arms around the future, and your back up against the past. You're already falling, it's calling you back to face the music, and the sunlight is coming through.... You're all ready falling, the world that it's caaalling is yooooou...."

Moody Blues-



















Flush....

From probably my favorite song by the Moody Blues. ;-)

Nice drop shadow.

Honestly, I don't even know how the drop shadow worked out. Maybe it's a real shadow on the surface of the water and "wallabysnot" that was in the toilet? Since I flushed it down, I guess I'll never know. ;-)

Moody Blues have a few songs that are appropriate for these times....love the group still!

They are definitely one of my all time favorites. When I was a kid, my mother used to play their music on the record player. Now I have their best hits burned out on a CD.

Recap of the most important aspects of this posting:

http://www.bertrandom.com/index.php

under, "mr. pc man"

1. If you are going to give to charity this year, walk up to a homeless person and give it directly to them, as long as you don't smell alcohol on their breath. If you think they maybe drink, give them some groceries, canned goods, and if they insist they don't want it, there are plenty of other homeless people who will, etc.

2. Lobbying the government to raise estate taxes to the rich.
Here's some FAQ on estate taxes, just copy and paste into your browser and hit enter:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETFAQ.html

How to take action and what to prioritize on:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/index.html

Info. on estate tax reform:

http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/estate_tax_reform.html

This is very realistic in terms of how easy it is to participate in getting the word out that we want this to be done. If you can't write a letter for instance when you get to these websites, they already have drafts that are written for you, all you have to do is put in your name and click send, it's that simple.

3. Lobbying the government to further the regulations regarding what a corporation should and should not be capable of doing rather than treating them as if they were each nothing more than a virtual person. Why Numbers 2 & 3?

To tax the hell out of the corporations after their owners die, that's why!

Here's some common sense regarding most rich people and why they are rich. Usually, they own lots of businesses or even corporations, sit on several corporations board of directors with things called "Golden" Parachutes, etc., own lots of realestate or are involved in some kind of "insider trading" that only they are aware of and thus the goverment is not aware of and so on and so forth.

So then, while their income gets taxed at the end of the year, it doesn't really matter because they write all of it off, and more, through loop-holes that the republicans are only lobbying to make even larger than they already are, as well as business expense write offs and such. Not including anything they get, "under" the table. After all, what do you really think the word, "lobbying" means? It means, "Paying" people to vote the way you want them to vote. This is where the "virtual person" fucks the real one that works for the "virtual" one. If you want to be the fuckee instead of the fucker, then keep working your 8a-5p job for the man. On the other hand, if you want to become the fucker then become an entrepreneur and go into business for yourself, etc.

As you begin to expand your business, you may feel the need to hire some fuckees to come to work for you. Before you know it, if you don't go out of business the way so many small ma and pa shops do within the first one or two years of their lifetime, who knows, you may turn it all into a franchise like Mcdees? In that, maybe you'll get really lucky and turn it all into a corporation and sit on it's board of directors with a 51% share of the stock making you owner of Burger University, if you will? Before you know it, you are a "virtual person," you get to do things you never realized were possible, like dump company waste into lakes, rivers and ponds just outside some "real" persons back yard, or Lobby to the republicans to lower restrictions on trading on company as well as income taxes, or lay off 10,000 fuckees and start building plants in Vietnam hiring people to do the job for 15 cents a day instead of $8.50/hour to cut back on manufacturing expenses, or even require your suppliers to move their manufacturing plants to China to reduce your expenses when buying the supplies you need from them in making the products that you make in your own manufacturing plants, like WAL-MART does for instance! Prologue to the book, "The Godfather." "Behind every GREAT fortune is a crime."

Now that's what I call a very profitable venture... ;-)


4. Lobbying the government to take action on matters of energy, healthcare and such. Creating an actual plan to establish nuclear, fusion, solar, wind and hydro power to homes, businesses and vehicles within the next 20 years or so? As far as Nuclear power is concerned, what's worse, Nuclear power or Gas/Oil? Why number 4?

Global Warming, The Green House Effect, Polar Ice Caps Melting, Solar Shearing of the earths protective atmosphere eating holes through it, Solar Radiation, etc.

5. Switching your primary means of transportation to one that is more economically and environmentally viable: IE- two or three wheeled motorcycles and/or bicycles, etc. As far as whether or not this one will work, the answer is it's already working. People all across this country are either walking and/or riding two and three wheelers to work home and play and only use four wheel vehicles for emergencies, groceries, etc.--once a week, tops. Watching the news tonight, in alaska, the perma-ice caps, which are located underground, use to be completely frozen four feet underground all year. Now, eight feet underground where it's not as warm as it is four feet underground with the sun hitting it's surface, on the brink of the Winter season, the icecaps have already begun melting. This is not a joke people, if there ever was a time to come together to start doing something, then the time is definitely now, not two years from now, not 9 months from now, NOW or as soon as winter hits, as I plan on doing. As far as Winter is concerned, heating in homes is going to be very costly, even if gas prices remain at the average of 2.80 per gallon as they are as of today across America.

6. For Christmas this year, make handmade christmas cards for your relatives and family and stick $20 bills in each of them. Or, if you must shop, cause you like most people enjoy the element of surprise, shop at small ma and pa shops for gifts you must buy rather then big box companies such as Wal-mart, K-mart, Best Buy, Meijer, Target, etc, I'm sure you get the idea, ma, and pa, shops only, it'll help keep them in business this year and keep money in their pockets and food on their tables. Why number 6? I refer you back to the answer given in number 3.

7. Vote Democrat for president in 2008! Why? see website with posting to this discussion, you'll find out soon enough.

8. Feel fee to copy this and paste it into an email and get the word OUT! not down the toilet, like other people who are reading this. If you've received this via email, forward it on to as many people as possible and it will work!

the new world trade center

Pigeon Hawks
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/pigeonhawks.htm

We're turning the corner
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/turningcorner.htm

Bush Boogies
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/downloads/bushboogies.mov

The buck stops there
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/pinocchio.htm

Laura & Bush picking their nose
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/nosepick.htm

Log rolling
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/logrolling.htm

The disassembler
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/disassembler.htm

Ya gotta catapult the propoganda
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/catapultpropaganda.htm

Make certain to click the "change Metaphor" icon more than once, heck, just keep clicking it if you like, while viewing this one, it's much funnier that way
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/aar/oreilly.htm

Can you hear me now
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/canyouhearme.htm

Recountdown
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/recountdown.htm

Dr. Bush
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/obgyn.htm

Star Trek, Wrath of Condi
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/startrek.htm

National Jeopardy
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/jeopardy1.htm

Pull the bush dolls cord to get it to tell you bushisms
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/bushisms.htm

The No-Fly Zone
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Do you have blacks, too?"

- Bush to Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso as reported in Der Spiegel. Condoleeza Rice interceded explaining that Brazil has the greatest number of black citizens of any nation outside of Africa.

I reckon Mr PC Man has a Den.
Where he keeps his PC.

You're disclaimer at the top is kind of lame. I don't like what I see, so I'm going to complain about it. Just like you complain about the gov't, gas prices, the president, etc. To tell someone not to come onto this thread and bitch and complain about it is pretty much fascist. Are you a fascist? Now go google some presedential humor. I use the word humor loosely.

Oh, and by the way... you've pretty much run into all the people who frequent this site. There's only a handful of us.

double d. I have a serious question for you, so how about a serious answer, please. With everything that is going on in the world, is there nothing that worries you or concerns you, or are you one of these young kids that figure that things are going to fix themselves or just don't care becasue you are so young that you figure it isn't going to affect you? Everything that is going on in the world affects all of us in the long run and maybe, just maybe if enough of us get together to some small extent maybe we can play a small part in helping to affect change.

While my disclaimer at the top may be lame, double d, it's not as lame as you coming here and cutting your nose off to spite your face by making yet another idiotic comment that only brings you closer and closer to enlightenment with an ass-clown.

You can come here and complain about it all you want but what I'd like to know, like liza and many other people who are reading this but just aren't responding, what exactly is it you are complaining about? Liza and I just don't believe in the "abc's of losing." That isn't the kind of philosophy that we prefer to follow. We speak our minds and aren't afraid to stand up for our convictions, unlike a lot of people I am afraid. If that's a philosphy you would like to adopt, then by all means, it's your choice and you have every right in the world to make that choice. Just what are you expecting me to do anyway, admit that you are right? You are wrong, and you know you're wrong, you just don't want to admit it is all. Say what ever you have to say and do what ever the hell you please for all I care, just don't get in our way! Because we've got nukes and bulldozers and we're coming through people. We're making changes here, whether you like it or not. ;-)

Liza, I am concerned about what is wrong in our society and the United States today. I keep my eyes open to what is going on and make my own conclusions. I think that there are many things wrong with American politics today as well as current state of the American public and their unwillingness to open their eyes to what is going on. Although I educate myself by reading many different viewpoints on these subjects in order to find my own conclusion, I don't like to debate it.

That being said, and by looking at pacman's post above me is that he has a big issue with 'right and wrong.' The road he has paves thus far is to agree with what he says, or have him say, 'no, you're wrong and I'm right.' This attitude of 'we're not gointg to lose' is not really grounded in my reproach to your posts. I am not arguing with you. I am not trying to defeat you or have you admit one's rightfulness or wrongness. I am not taking a militant approach to what you are doing here. I'm saying that your approach to communicating what you want to say, as well as the way you are treating the people who post on here is arrogant and obtrusive.

To say my 'idioc' comment makes me 'look stupid' to summarize what you are saying. I think that you just proved it right with this quote from your above post...

'Say what ever you have to say and do what ever the hell you please for all I care, just don't get in our way! Because we've got nukes and bulldozers and we're coming through people. We're making changes here, whether you like it or not. ;-)'

That rings of facism, doesn't it?

*sigh*. All I am saying and all I have ever said, is just let us debate these issues in peace, even if it is just mr. pc man and myself, so be it....I posted a thread on here, not only because it was of a different topic, but I thought that maybe there would be some peace on this site. I thought, and I guess I thought wrong, that we would be left alone on that thread and be able to have some normal discussions on things that I know bother me and many others. You and rcl and wallabysnot and hans have everyright to disagree with our opinions, I have never said any different. That is what this country is all about, differences. I am just asking for the same consideration of our opinions and not to be belittled, or degraded, i.e. an offensive picture of a piece of shit floating in a toilet I personally welcome, all intelligent and thought out disagreements to my opinion, but at this point it just seems like you followed to the thread I started with the intent to keep up the belittleing and degredation, and the insults. Please, and note I am still saying please, let mr. pc man and whoever else would like to post serious thoughts on here, to let us, there are other threads that you can post whatever you want, with no problems from me.....

Double d, look at your comments to me, then look at my response to your comments. Don't take things out of context. Are you saying that just because I made you look like a jackass that you are right and I am wrong? I never said, 'we're not gointg to lose' I said, 'we don't follow along in the 'abc's of losing.' There's a difference. It's good that you are open to other viewpoints, unlike some people on this website. It's also good that you are against facsism, because I am no more a facsist than you are a transvestite. No, I didn't just call you a transvestite, re-read it if you don't believe me. In fact, I know a few, and they aren't all that bad of people.

It's good that you are concerned with what is going on in this United States and that you feel there is something wrong with it's political system because YOU ARE RIGHT! What do you think I and Liza have been saying all along? All I'm saying here is, let's not sit on our hands and let this country or for that matter this world, fall through our fingers, or get flushed down the toilet if you will. Is that fascism? Is telling people who believe otherwise that they need to fuck-off facsism? Is telling people like Wallabysnot they are shit after they have shit on me facsism? No. It's fighting back for what I believe in, my convictions and that is what Liza and I are doing here. We didn't know each other before this, in fact I think Liza has been coming here longer than I have, we just happen to agree on these issues, is that facsism? ;-)

One other thing, in my disclaimer above, I never said not to come onto this thread and complain against what is being done here, I merely said that if you were going to do so it may be in your best interests to do yourself a "favor" and go elsewhere. Let's stop with the "putting words into each others mouths," shall we? ;-)

Bush vs. Jesus
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiseass.org%2Fhtml%2Fcontent-jesus.html

Bush's War with words
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fduffyb%2Fnobush%2FiMovieTheater181.html

The Apprentice
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/trumpfiresbush.swf

In my opinion, this is worse than what Bill Clinton did with Monica, at least she asked for it
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bushflash.com%2Funb.html

The Sloganator
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://homepages.nyu.edu/%7Emeo232/sloganator/

Jeopardy
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.redefeatbush.com/downloads/jeopardy.swf

Bush asleep at the wheel
http://www.peacecandy.com/gwbush/asleep.html

Dancin' Bush
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/bldancingbush.htm

Bush Shootout
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/blbushshootout.htm

More Bush games
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blminiclips.htm

Case Against the Inheritance Tax Is Bogus
Hartford Courant
September 13, 2005
by Bill Gates Sr. and Chuck Collins

A devastating hurricane hits the Gulf Coast. The war in Iraq claims almost 1,900 American lives with no end in sight in both casualties and cost. And red ink flows through both short- and long-term federal deficit projections. Yet in the coming weeks, congressional leaders will move to abolish permanently the estate tax, America's only levy on concentrations of inherited wealth.

Only after considerable pressure to respond to Hurricane Katrina and observe Chief Justice William Rehnquist's funeral did Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist back off from his determination to begin the estate tax debate immediately after Labor Day.

It will be fascinating to watch how the senators from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama explain to their constituents why a $1 trillion tax break for multimillionaires and billionaires, few of whom live in their states, ranks as a timely national priority.

The case for abolishing the federal estate tax is a sham, deflated by Congress' own research and investigative reporting. Yet congressional tax cutters continue to incant the "death tax" mythology: that the estate tax punishes success, sinks family farmers and small businesses, and is unfair double taxation. In the post-Katrina environment, they have even gone so far as to make the far-fetched claim that estate tax repeal will be an economic stimulus to the Gulf states.

There is no evidence that the estate tax imperils small-scale farms or America's entrepreneurial spirit. The estate tax is paid solely by multimillionaires and billionaires, and only after they pass on substantial wealth to their heirs. And the bulk of the assets subject to the tax take the form of appreciated property and stocks, wealth that has never been subject to any tax, let alone a double tax.

The heirs to some of America's largest family fortunes, including members of the Mars candy and Walton families, have paid handsomely to promote these myths. But the responsibility at this moment lies with congressional leaders who must justify a windfall tax cut for the wealthy during a time of war and natural disaster.

Never before has our country passed tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war. Historically, wealth has been "conscripted," in the Civil War parlance, to share in the sacrifice and preserve domestic unity.

Isn't anyone embarrassed about this inequality of sacrifice?

It is unlikely repeal advocates in the Senate will muster the votes to abolish the tax, though the vote will be close. The real risk is that the Senate will reach agreement on an irresponsible reform that will effectively gut the law.

Repeal advocates, such as Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, have offered their own "reform" proposals that would raise the amount of wealth exempted by the tax to more than $10 million and drop the rate to 15 percent from its current level of 47 percent. Such an irresponsible reform would lose more than 85 percent of the revenue raised by the tax and cripple the nation's charitable sector, which according to a Congressional Budget Office study would experience a decline in estate giving of more than $10 billion a year.

We support a more modest reform that raises the wealth exemption to $5 million for a couple, keeps the rate at 45 percent, and carves out provisions for the transfer of closely held family business. Such a reform would retain substantial revenue in the face of war, disaster and deficits, and maintain a powerful incentive for charitable giving.

The proponents of all-or-nothing repeal have blocked proposals for such reasonable reforms since the summer of 2000. But it's time to bring predictability back into the estate planning process.

The estate tax is the most fair and equitable tax in the land. A levy on estates in excess of $5 million is an appropriate mechanism for those who have disproportionately benefited from our marvelous system of wealth creation to pay back the society that fostered the fertile ground for their success.

The estate tax should be rightfully understood as a "gratitude tax."

Bill Gates Sr. is co-chairman of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Chuck Collins is senior fellow at United for a Fair Economy, a nonprofit research group. They are co-authors of Wealth and Our Commonwealth: Why America Should Tax Accumulated Fortunes." They wrote this article for the Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service.

George W. Bush Episode II: Star Wars Parody Trailer

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fjamesmagary%2FiMovieTheater7.html

The signs are all there, the time to act is now.

Well, I guess that just about says it all, unfortunately some of them did not all come through for me. I especially liked the one about saving a fortune on their car insurance....Unfortunately it reminds me about what I dislike about the ads for diet aids and such. They are advertised by people who probably never had to diet a day in their lives. The people who are controlling the high gas prices, unfortunately have probably more money than God, and they don't have to worry about paying their car insurance, nor do they have to worry about how much it costs to fill up their cars, like the rest of us do!! I think the only thing they have to worry about is how to reinvest their big wads of money so they don't have to pay taxes on it....If only some of them could live like the "normal person" lives, and get a taste of what it is to live just day to day and paycheck to paycheck, then they would truly understand what it is like for the majority of John Q. Public. What is that saying, "you won't really understand until you walk a mile in MY shoes".

Absolutely. And for anyone who disagrees with us, they should get off the computer and go read some Harry Potter. I myself have read all six of the books that have come out thus far already. ;-)

If I had to guess, most people could give two shits about this guy below.